From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kelly Dean Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19479: Copyright issue Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 21:49:54 +0000 Message-ID: <28X8CWcxytFrnmAvzW6uuTJIZbigFBiglw7zAmVVIR2@local> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1420840280 30883 80.91.229.3 (9 Jan 2015 21:51:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 21:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: assign@gnu.org, 19479@debbugs.gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 09 22:51:12 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9hSZ-00020r-UL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 22:51:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52393 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9hSZ-00043v-0b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:51:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41674) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9hSV-00043c-0P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:51:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9hSQ-000741-W7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:51:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:60064) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9hSQ-00073x-SU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:51:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9hSQ-0005Kk-F5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:51:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Kelly Dean Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 21:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19479 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: security Original-Received: via spool by 19479-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19479.142084024820480 (code B ref 19479); Fri, 09 Jan 2015 21:51:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19479) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2015 21:50:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41197 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9hSC-0005KG-G5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:50:48 -0500 Original-Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:49377) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9hSA-0005K7-CV for 19479@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 16:50:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mfilter3-d.gandi.net (mfilter3-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.133]) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5D7A80B9; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 22:50:44 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter3-d.gandi.net X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Duplicate header field: "Cc" Original-Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]) by mfilter3-d.gandi.net (mfilter3-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VCK-G220seXJ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 22:50:43 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 66.220.3.179 Original-Received: from localhost (gm179.geneticmail.com [66.220.3.179]) (Authenticated sender: kelly@prtime.org) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D6F18A80C6; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 22:50:41 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:98148 Archived-At: I wrote: > Anyway, my patch that Glenn objected to was created in the past, not th= e future, so at least that one is ok. Actually my future patches are ok too. http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnulib.git/plain/doc/Copyright/disclaim.= program says: =E2=8C=9CDigital Stimulation Corporation hereby disclaims all copyright i= nterest in the program "seduce" (a program to direct assemblers to make passes = at compilers under GNU Emacs) written by Hugh Heffner, including both the present version of the program and his/her future changes and enhancements to it.=E2=8C=9D Notice the disclaimer applies to future work. Which means my disclaimer a= pplying to future work is effective. If the FSF thinks it has to register those PD works (which would be absur= d, but absurdity has never stopped lawyers), that's a separate issue from= the one-time disclaimer (covering past and future work) that the disclai= m.program file shows that the FSF does accept. It isn't any extra burden = for the FSF compared to assignment, since obviously the FSF can only regi= ster intellectual property ownership of assigned works after those works = are created too, so the FSF still has to constantly (or annually or whate= ver) send new paperwork to the copyright office even for contributors who= have signed an assignment form. IOW, Stefan keeps the lawyers a lot busi= er than I do. ;-) But again, even if for some weird reason the lawyers think my disclaimer = for future work isn't effective, it certainly is effective for my previou= s work, including my patch for bug #19479. (And if it isn't, then they're= welcome to point out what's wrong with it, and send me a disclaimer form= that _is_ effective, which I asked for already in 2012). If necessary, I= can re-date and re-sign it in the future to cover new work, which is fin= e since my contributions to Emacs are infrequent.