From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#28338: 25.2; Default fonts for Info Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 11:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <27b1ea9c-cb4c-43aa-9073-2bbe122cf809@default> References: <<<>>> <<<<837exfyej8.fsf@gnu.org>>>> <<>> <<<834lsjyasv.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<0a5cea17-42be-4d4f-a4f7-798bfa51e290@default>> <<83ziabwtky.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1504462677 31002 195.159.176.226 (3 Sep 2017 18:17:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 18:17:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 28338@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 03 20:17:41 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1doZSO-00064F-8a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 20:17:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39040 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1doZSQ-0002Xb-85 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 14:17:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34053) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1doZSF-0002Wt-A0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 14:17:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1doZSA-0008Gg-G6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 14:17:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:38097) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1doZSA-0008GH-CJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 14:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1doZS9-0003bc-Tm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 14:17:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2017 18:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 28338 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 28338-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B28338.150446258313812 (code B ref 28338); Sun, 03 Sep 2017 18:17:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 28338) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2017 18:16:23 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46778 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1doZRW-0003ai-OF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 14:16:22 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:32646) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1doZRV-0003aV-6D for 28338@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2017 14:16:21 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id v83IGDCe019031 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Sep 2017 18:16:14 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v83IGDnF016173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Sep 2017 18:16:13 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id v83IGBu7029656; Sun, 3 Sep 2017 18:16:12 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83ziabwtky.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 12.0.6774.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:136554 Archived-At: > > My suggestion is _not_ to use exactly the same face as the > > default face - I've made that quite clear. My suggestion > > is to not use a different font. Using a different color > > (whatever color) is a reasonable alternative. >=20 > I don't like this suggestion, for at least two reasons: Info is > supposed to present a book-like appearance,=20 Who said that Info is supposed to do that? > thus no colors. What makes you think that books do not use color, including for some text? You seem to be grasping for some (non-existent) hardline style rule to just dismiss this suggestion. > And some people actively dislike colors. Names? ;-) More seriously, some people also dislike the fact that by default Emacs does not use color. And of course Emacs sometimes does use color by default (e.g. font-locked modes). That argument seems pretty vacuous. Some people actively dislike lots of things. And that was the same argument given against the long-ago suggestion to fontify quoted Info names. You've finally gone with, not against, that idea, but using the wrong way to make the text stand out. > In any case, the current situation is quite good,=20 It was "quite good" before this change also. That doesn't mean much. What makes you think that the change made was for the better? > so I see no reason to change it, especially not > so close to the last change we made there. Right, and when it is _less_ close you will argue that it has been the way it is for a while and that "that ship has sailed." Been there - seen this movie before. Catch 22. Now is a good time to fix this, not a bad time.