From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough. Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 11:59:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <27ab386f-08d2-4139-8cd3-9f755c2827aa@default> References: <20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box> <834mdnusem.fsf@gnu.org> <20160205151327.GE7727@acm.fritz.box> <87h9hnjhn0.fsf@udel.edu> <8b27118c-c24b-4961-a5a6-6535dbe14722@default> <87r3grujj6.fsf@mbork.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454702426 30461 80.91.229.3 (5 Feb 2016 20:00:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 20:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Mark Oteiza , 22564@debbugs.gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 05 21:00:11 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmY6-0004Yk-C8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 21:00:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50220 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmY5-00005y-A4 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:00:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33663) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmY2-00005E-Oz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:00:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmXz-0000HV-Jw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:00:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54393) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmXz-0000HR-GB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:00:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmXz-0001GB-5a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:00:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 20:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22564 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22564-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22564.14547023764780 (code B ref 22564); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 20:00:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22564) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 19:59:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34749 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmXY-0001F2-7b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:59:36 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:39130) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRmXW-0001Em-HH for 22564@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 14:59:34 -0500 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u15JxS7Y010972 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 19:59:28 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u15JxRnY019761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 19:59:27 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u15JxPYk026145; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 19:59:27 GMT In-Reply-To: <87r3grujj6.fsf@mbork.pl> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112520 Archived-At: > >> electric-indent-mode is the only electric-*-mode on by default, and I > >> never understood why it was enabled. Up until bracketed paste was > >> implemented, this issue of indenting pastes had been an annoyance (onl= y > >> later on did I realize to disable this electric mode). > > > > I agree. I disabled it as soon as I encountered it, but I disagree > > that users should be subjected to it by default. Especially in > > Fundamental mode. >=20 > +1. Fundamental mode should be Notepad-like as much as possible IMHO. > (Incidentally, I almost never use Fundamental mode, exactly because of > that.) Fundamental mode is not really supposed to be used by users interactively, AFAIK. It should not even have the functionality of Notepad. It is used as an empty inheritance point for other modes. It is the "bottom" of modes. ;-)