From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Olivier Certner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#63072: 28.2; CC Mode: Fix "bsd" style and add "freebsd" and "openbsd" ones Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:31:28 +0200 Message-ID: <2661733.poxlI1A5LX@ravel> References: <5023567.7IPSAfTSoR@ravel> <2624808.XrqEPMHAR6@ravel> <83354nuhtr.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14454"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 63072@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 26 11:32:18 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1prbVa-0003ex-IR for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:32:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prbVO-0002Wj-Ep; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:32:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prbVK-0002Vp-9J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:32:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1prbVJ-0007ZT-UT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1prbVJ-0008Dj-Ns for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:32:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Olivier Certner Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2023 09:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 63072 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 63072-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B63072.168250149531565 (code B ref 63072); Wed, 26 Apr 2023 09:32:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 63072) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2023 09:31:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54284 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1prbUs-0008D3-M0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:31:34 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp2-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.2]:24580) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1prbUp-0008Ct-Nl for 63072@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 05:31:32 -0400 Original-Received: from ravel.localnet (unknown [90.118.140.172]) (Authenticated sender: ocert.dev@free.fr) by smtp2-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5B7EA200595; Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:31:29 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=free.fr; s=smtp-20201208; t=1682501490; bh=4OUYOY3vlqrHSDO/Uv6LqmP+/F2iC9S1vVuXtIIudYU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=BlkCTuFdudkjH0KBkQVMijhFMN52bm4QTL0t8+fIPsfszO3Y8bP3EcIGCQWXdGfAx Lu/DaLrAQwvdhVfjLddDpoiqCMwUVVoPubMpDHycsRht+hZKHV7haEknWcCqttUkhx 0tEkfQETIxHRAfqQuV6ZmOjaGrCutZ7GinqQVpwTu5H7MLdxjMkaNApbB6vCDLjyOi lwtR1WDkBfD7WdcVwo96g3qP6loGRmay6Ca5S9wiAk8iA+GyamxqIb1KLnMlpUAKIp zf67CR0aCOB54PIYyeGhtSuX8RJ0D0j7LmAlq/NdRiWk/YIAMJW0tD1sTTQe9qhnV4 Mu7iO84Rw1lqQ== In-Reply-To: <83354nuhtr.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:260657 Archived-At: > > Additionally, these changes will be exceedingly rare, and styles will just > > be updated on a best-effort basis. > > The "best-effort" part is what bothers me. We introduce these new > styles because the relevant projects change the styles, and then we > basically tell users: don't expect these styles to actually follow > those projects, except by luck? Does that make sense? By luck? The last changes in these styles with a practical consequence for CC mode were done more than 20 years ago. Had the changes proposed here been done at that time, users would have been able to use the right style since then. Truth is, users not having the right style would be extremely unlucky, given the rate of changes (practically zero). These styles are *intended* to follow these projects' practice. And they will so more than 99% of the time. Of course, if a style changes and requires a CC style modification, then someone will have to submit it and in the meantime users will have to live with the discrepancy. Is that what really bothers you? That's what best effort means. Again, this will be useful to the relevant users more than 99% of the time. -- Olivier Certner