From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Heidemann Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#511: package for potential inclusion in emacs Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:15:25 -0700 Message-ID: <26219.1216930525@dash.isi.edu> References: <87y73r9ikr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: John Heidemann , 511@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216931280 8911 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2008 20:28:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 511@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 24 22:28:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KM7QW-0006jJ-1T for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:28:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38303 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KM7Pb-0001W3-2Y for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:27:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KM7PO-0001SI-Ug for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KM7PM-0001Re-0d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:27:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42847 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KM7PL-0001Rb-EG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:27:27 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:59380) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KM7PH-0006YW-2J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:27:23 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6OKRJTx006186; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:27:19 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m6OKP4Dm005159; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:25:04 -0700 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: John Heidemann Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:25:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 511 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 511-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B511.12169305683835 (code B ref 511); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:25:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 511) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 24 Jul 2008 20:16:08 +0000 Original-Received: from vir.isi.edu (vir.isi.edu [128.9.160.91]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m6OKG0AT003829 for <511@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:16:01 -0700 Original-Received: from dash.isi.edu (dash.isi.edu [128.9.160.184]) (authenticated bits=0) by vir.isi.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OKFtOe015008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:15:55 -0700 Original-Received: from dash.isi.edu (localhost.isi.edu [127.0.0.1]) by dash.isi.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m6OKFP3A026220; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:15:25 -0700 X-url: http://www.isi.edu/~johnh/ In-reply-to: <87y73r9ikr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:27:30 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:18836 Archived-At: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:40:36 EDT, Chong Yidong wrote: >John Heidemann writes: > >> I have done a copyright assignment before, although I don't remember >> if it was general or for a specific thing (you might search for >> mouse-extras.el) or mouse-drag.el. If you're concerned, I should >> probably re-do one for the notes-mode package. >> >> All external contributions were of the one-line, no-copyright-needed >> variety. > >I just checked: your assignment is for general contributions to Emacs. >So that's fine. > >However, there are a couple of doubts that make me hesitant to include >notes-mode in the main Emacs distribution. Firstly, it's a moderately >sized package with multiple source files, including perl scripts; for >reasons of convenience and cleanliness, packages of a similar nature >tend to be distributed seperately from Emacs and not bundled with it >(e.g., AucTeX and preview-latex). Secondly, there are a couple of >packages around that do a similar thing, such as John Wiegley's planner >mode. I certainly understand waintence concerns about dropping perl in to the emacs tree. It was OK with rms when we talked about it around 2000 (provided I make startup changes that were done in 2006), but things may have changed. About planner mode, I wasn't aware of it. My guess is it post-dates notes-mode, not that that matters. My quick look at it (web pages only) is that it appears to have better support for planning things (keeping lists of tasks, schedules, etc.). Its journaling functions are project based (file-per-project), with dates as subheads in each file, while notes-modes are date-based (file-per-day) with projects as subheads. The core part of notes-mode is that it auto-generates links that fit a certain style of working, with file-per-day and subheads per task. It's not clear to me to what extent planner-mode autogenerates links. >Neither of these means that we can't ultimately include notes-mode, but >I'd prefer to take some time evaluating it and discussing it on >emacs-devel first. I'm really sorry you've been waiting since 2006 (!), >but it may be better to schedule this for inclusion into Emacs 23.2 at >the earliest, instead of Emacs 23.1 (which may be six to nine months >from now, though it's not certain). > >In the meantime, however, we should add notes-mode to etc/MORE.STUFF. >Could you send an entry for MORE.STUFF, similar to the other entries in >that file? Does this work? * Notes-mode: > >Again, I'm sorry this dropped off the radar screen after your initial >message to us in 2006. No problem. Part of the delay was on my end. -John