From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: nipponpost@airmail.cc Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#38002: Please remove this joke Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:30:53 +0000 Message-ID: <25b7c44fa4a0886a2c977a51c26dc1e0@airmail.cc> References: <86bltxng32.fsf@inmotica-integral.es> <87k18k7ugd.fsf@gnus.org> <3th83oen14.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <874kzna7mb.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="265408"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.3.6 Cc: bug-gnu-emacs , rms@gnu.org, 38002@debbugs.gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 01 21:52:54 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQduf-0016sp-5r for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 21:52:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42842 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQdud-00074S-PW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:52:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49457) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iQdtt-0006GZ-H5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:52:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQdts-0003XU-8K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:52:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48514) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQdtr-0003VZ-KV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:52:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQdtr-0008D3-Gt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:52:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: nipponpost@airmail.cc Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:52:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 38002 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch fixed Original-Received: via spool by 38002-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B38002.157264150831511 (code B ref 38002); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:52:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 38002) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 20:51:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57332 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQdtb-0008C8-BR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:51:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.cock.li ([185.10.68.5]:56255 helo=cock.li) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQdZT-0006OE-SV for 38002@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:31:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=airmail.cc; s=mail; t=1572640253; bh=JejJtr/v/ueLT40PuZUIEiRbGnlIEGXrfDDkzF9k6Vo=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=HubFgPCX2hL2m/FP1xRZQe5NPxdm+FhSVOuJoj0PBvHwXA0W6+2L56JMqb8vG1JeL Z/RZJ101TbEyPrv5ex3h+tbLW4WATvFjtQ/Yaz1B14VXySVcU8IaNPddLCbMOTHL58 wlwYszsSgXMKAPy4J6JUnluicPDc1o8eimK6VOpnnAVdq+ow/z3v96fUtJY+N1RZaF hKkw0Ukt8LD0C/Bc/0WuKc2kNqgBtWiQhNaExcQwrJgcvV+aljj04r1HWernI5pxRT y+mch/Vk4mv3+D1o7tMP2lXGkz7jZDYcgGN9r8xVpeMsyZCReRwfMgBzlmKQp2L15J yvmJ+7Z/rMgLg== In-Reply-To: <874kzna7mb.fsf@mbork.pl> X-Sender: nipponpost@airmail.cc X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:51:44 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:170680 Archived-At: A joke is not a bug: it has /absolutely/ nothing to do with the operation of the software; it isn't even /part/ of the software. What it is, is a makers' mark. A signature. A piece of the author. "This is me, this is part of my personality" Removing the joke is tantamount to removing a maker's mark. It's basically white-washing the person from the project and laundering his code. Now the code, the project, is attributed to the "maintainers", their system of society is all that is present, the personality of the actual creators is gone. It's just as bad as removing the author from the Authors attribution; it's even worse: from the names you cannot tell /who/ these people were; but from their jokes you can catch a glimpse. All maintainers do is take other peoples work, and make sure it works on new incompatable systems. They then parade around as if they wrote the whole thing (see: Guix "maintainers" who are demanding the ouster of RMS from HIS GNU for example). It's basically plagiarism, in practice. I'm an attorney btw, if the Authors are angry about this, and I gain information about such (if they're still alive), I'll consider guiding them regarding copyright law (US). I doubt they're in my juristiction though so I could only show them the way. In europe they could perhaps assert moral rights aswell (this becomes complicated, due to all the different interpretations there-of). In the USA it's the 35 year statutory provision in the Copyright Act that could be used. Respect the guys that helped you; Stop spitting on them. These Maintainers are not equal to the original programmers who helped you. It's like saying a touch-up artist is the same as a from-scratch painter. Free Software does NOT exist without the Software; which does not exist without the Men who BOTHER to write said software to begin with. If you lost all female contributors from Free Software: you would still have it. If you lost all male contributors you would not. And men and women do NOT get along. One dominates the other. In Anglo-American societies the woman dominates the man and the man is just a beast of burden: caged at the first notice of his master to the male-handlers (police). Pandering to the women will not get anyone "laid" (Though Pandering to Islam will get you young brides (young girls, not adult women) eventually; which is why the European policticians wisely do so: it's either Americanism or Islam... so they choose the nicer one for themselves) (Note: if anyone wants to question my credentials regarding programming: I have a 25Mbyte code diff I can show you; it's not all of my code; but alot of it is, and that's on my latest project I've been working on for a decade (foss 3d videogame). I know what motivates me and demotivates me, and I see who contributes what in FOSS and who simply controls others socially, so I'm not fooled. There is a method to all of this, and degrading the men like Americans do was not the method that succeeded, but is now what is proposed and has been followed for the last few years (which has resulted in a quiet /exodus/ of hackers and the domination of /foundations/ and /corporate backers/ instead (as intended)))