From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Van Ly Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#53158: 28.0.90; TAB, RET key behave differently for Git-Log-View, Outline View mode Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 20:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Super Dimensional Fortress Message-ID: <24ff80-a2f2-955b-4ff3-6d5b20a4b5f@SDF.ORG> References: <83zgo38ojq.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7ab8iql.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16898"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 53158@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 10 22:00:27 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n71mE-0004Fs-Mb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 22:00:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34632 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n71mD-0005jT-Ih for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 16:00:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39614) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n71lr-0005hm-GE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 16:00:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60494) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n71lr-0003dt-70 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 16:00:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n71lq-0001KU-Rq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 16:00:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Van Ly Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 21:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 53158 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 53158-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B53158.16418483445006 (code B ref 53158); Mon, 10 Jan 2022 21:00:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 53158) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jan 2022 20:59:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53397 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n71kt-0001Ig-Ps for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 15:59:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:53159) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n71ko-0001IE-NR for 53158@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 15:59:02 -0500 Original-Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:van.ly@sdf.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id 20AKwvb8022671 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Mon, 10 Jan 2022 20:58:57 GMT Original-Received: from localhost (van.ly@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id 20AKx0j8013542; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 20:59:00 GMT In-Reply-To: <83h7ab8iql.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:223904 Archived-At: On Mon, 10 Jan 2022, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 19:36:43 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Van Ly >> cc: 53158@debbugs.gnu.org >> >>> There's absolute no guarantee in Emacs that a key behaves the same in >>> tow different modes. Even if those two modes can be argued to be >>> similar in some sense. >>> >> >> Yes, I know. Emacs unboxes with unpleasant defaults. > > Is that some new way of convincing the maintainers to be more amenable > to your opinions and suggestions? If so, it isn't working. > A pearl comes from an irritant in the shell. > > A TAB as a means to cycle visibility could be a natural thing in > outline modes, but log-view-mode is not an outline mode, it's derived > from different parents. > Having the same keybinding function on the aster at position one on the line to unroll/rollup the headline/detail is an opportunity for improving the UI intuitivity across these two modes. From an enduser perspective. -- vl