From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9794: 24.0.90; `format-time-string' no good for %Z Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 00:43:28 -0700 Message-ID: <24FDB65B0E784E978085D30A7CBF9FAF@us.oracle.com> References: <68A313A7DDAA4912A255DAFE495606F9@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1319010252 8258 80.91.229.12 (19 Oct 2011 07:44:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:44:12 +0000 (UTC) To: <9794@debbugs.gnu.org> Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 19 09:44:08 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RGQop-0002ub-8d for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:44:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46246 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RGQoo-0006yH-E9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:44:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50097) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RGQok-0006y0-Iq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:44:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RGQoj-0001n1-Gw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:44:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:45636) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RGQoj-0001mw-BY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:44:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RGQph-00081o-Sx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:45:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 9794 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,w32 X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 9794-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B9794.131901027930822 (code B ref 9794); Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:45:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 9794) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2011 07:44:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RGQpL-000815-Nr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:44:39 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RGQpK-00080t-BY for 9794@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:44:38 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p9J7hSss022296 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <9794@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:43:30 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p9J7VKc7001284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <9794@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:31:20 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt120.oracle.com (abhmt120.oracle.com [141.146.116.72]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p9J7hMRd021646 for <9794@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 02:43:22 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.62.115) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 00:43:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcyOKoR2rozwKyJrQyK+4CSzdH0BDwABsdSA In-Reply-To: <68A313A7DDAA4912A255DAFE495606F9@us.oracle.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4E9E7FA2.01AB,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:45:01 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:52834 Archived-At: Didn't realize this bug was already filed as #641. It's unfortunate that nothing was ever done about this regression. I stumbled on it again only because of someone else's code that uses "...(%Z)". And that is likely to be fairly common, given that people not on Windows will not know that %Z in Emacs is broken on Windows. How many Emacs users use Windows? How long will this be ignored, so they continue to see "...()" instead of something meaningful to them? Stefan's bottom line in the #641 bug thread was this: "I could live with it, tho its usefulness is far from obvious. In any case it would not be for Emacs-23 and I'd recommend potential hackers to work on something else as that's more likely to be useful." Poor Emacs. Poor users. It's usefulness is completely obvious: Windows users lose information that is meant to help them. And just because a non-Windows developer thinks that letting them see "(Pacific Daylight Time)" is not useful to them and "()" is more meaningful. Sheesh.