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Sun, 15 Nov 2020 01:49:36 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0AF1f51D125601; Sun, 15 Nov 2020 01:47:35 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34ts4v1rrj-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Nov 2020 01:47:35 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 0AF1lXW5017944; Sun, 15 Nov 2020 01:47:33 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5071.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9805 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011150007 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9805 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1011 mlxlogscore=999 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011150007 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:193346 Archived-At: > I also think that "C-c @ C-h" is a very unfortunate keybinding, even if > it is mnemonic for "hide". I agree. There are other *hide* commands that don't use `C-h' in their bindings. There are even other hideshow hide commands that don't use it: C-c @ C-M-h C-c @ C-l C-c @ C-t C-c @ C-d There's anyway redundancy: C-c @ C-h is the same as C-c @ C-d. (And C-c @ C-M-h is the same as C-c @ C-t.) Are all of the default bindings really necessary/useful? (If you think it's important to have something that fits with the `C-c @ C-M-h' of `hs-hide-all' then use `C-c @ M-h'.) My guess is that the author just didn't know about using `C-h' after a prefix arg. And the more exceptions to that working, the more people will do likewise: mistakenly (in ignorance) bind `C-h' after a prefix key, preventing it from that use. > But it seems much too late to do anything about that now. Why is it too late? Just drop `C-c @ C-h' - that's my suggestion.