From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14554: 24.3.50; incorrect key representation in Emacs manual: `C-Mouse-N' Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 14:37:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2115ac6f-46d0-4767-9b39-010f0f463b5e@default> References: <27bcd360-3ba0-4c54-bb7a-958865a1dacd@default> <87sirtub42.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87fvntkouu.fsf@building.gnus.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391985499 22508 80.91.229.3 (9 Feb 2014 22:38:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 22:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 14554@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier , Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 09 23:38:24 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WCd14-0006gr-N6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 23:38:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52359 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCd14-00017J-CA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 17:38:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60262) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCd0t-000178-Cf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 17:38:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCd0k-0000Fq-LP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 17:38:11 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46908) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WCd0k-0000Fl-IW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 17:38:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCd0j-0005OJ-PL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 17:38:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14554 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14554-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14554.139198544820676 (code B ref 14554); Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:38:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2014 22:37:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60927 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCd0B-0005NP-Om for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 17:37:28 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:42320) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WCd07-0005ND-30 for 14554@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 17:37:25 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s19MbLsD004459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 9 Feb 2014 22:37:22 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s19MbJfU009541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 9 Feb 2014 22:37:20 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s19MbJjw008255; Sun, 9 Feb 2014 22:37:19 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:85102 Archived-At: > > Since altering throughout the manual may change node names and > > index entries, would it make sense to hold off on doing this > > change until the next release cycle? >=20 > Yes, AFAIK this is not a new problem, so there's no hurry to fix it. 1. True. But there also should be no hurry to push the release out the door. It is a good opportunity to fix such things that do not impact other behavior. Besides, we will go into pretest, and that is supposedly a time for fixing bugs, and not just bugs in new features or newly introduced. 2. I do not see why using correct notation would change node names. But I suppose there could be a node name with an incorrectly noted key binding in it. 3. It is also the case that nothing requires that you find and fix all such typos at once. And even if you try to do so you might miss some. In sum, it's a pretty lame excuse that (a) to fix this right would require extensive changes to the manual (not demonstrated) and (b) any such extensive typo-fixing changes should wait until the next release because they are not critical for this release. It's been 8 months since the bug was filed. Why suppose that this will be high on your plate for the next release? Why not at least fix the bug reported, if you want to hold off making a pass through the whole doc for similar typos? Don't make the ideal the enemy of the good.