From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41532: Why use the mouse in Emacs? 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Tue, 26 May 2020 15:28:53 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04QFJ0nR097794; Tue, 26 May 2020 15:28:53 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 317ddp26bt-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 May 2020 15:28:53 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 04QFSpn9027575; Tue, 26 May 2020 15:28:52 GMT In-Reply-To: <87sgfmoi9g.fsf@laposte.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5005.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9632 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=999 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005260119 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9632 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 cotscore=-2147483648 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 priorityscore=1501 phishscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1015 impostorscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005260119 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:181044 Archived-At: > The user experience is quite different when browsing the Emacs and > LibreOffice menus although they seem similar. The Emacs interface is > mainly text-based partly because there are few graphical widgets. >=20 > Nonetheless, this difference is not always clearly perceived. It can be > seen in the following two cases: >=20 > 1. Menu bar> Tools, Merge, Files... opens a window manager window. > 2. Menu bar> Tools, Search Files(Grep)... opens the minibuffer. #1 invites you to submit a `grep' command. #2 invites you to choose files. `C-h v use-dialog-box' `C-h v use-file-dialog' (Emacs users have a choice, for #2.) `...' at the end of a menu item means that _some_ further user interaction will entail - for example, you might be prompted for some input (minibuffer), or to hit a key (`read-char'), or you may be invited to do any number of other things. I'm not sure what you're saying - what the problem is. But it seems that you're sure. Examples (like the one you showed here) can likely help get your point across. But maybe it's clear to others, even if not to me. You speak in generalities, which doesn't help (me): "the Emacs graphical interface is half broken." "it is difficult to navigate with the mouse or to organize its work". HTH.