From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43633: 28.0.50; Include definitions in glossary for: extensible, customizable, self-documenting, real-time display editor Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 14:15:28 +0300 Message-ID: <20200930111528.GF31048@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <58D6F493-1E8C-407D-99C1-B3755EE71710@gnu.support> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10808"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: 43633@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 30 13:16:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNa5i-0002iD-Fe for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 13:16:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40012 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNa5h-00053e-IH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:16:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58704) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNa5a-00053M-9Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46870) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNa5a-0002lC-03 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kNa5Z-0002r2-Qf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:16:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 11:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43633 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 43633-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43633.160146455210956 (code B ref 43633); Wed, 30 Sep 2020 11:16:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43633) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2020 11:15:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58416 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kNa5Q-0002qe-BA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:15:52 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:59751) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kNa5M-0002qJ-ID for 43633@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:15:50 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.34.183]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000F3C76.000000005F7468D3.000021E1; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 04:15:31 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:189329 Archived-At: * Drew Adams [2020-09-28 07:58]: > > What do others think? Should we delete the "display" in "display editor"? > > Yes. I don't even know what it means. A guess is that > a nondisplay editor is one that doesn't use a display > (e.g., monitor) - like old teletype line-oriented editors. > I guess `ed' or `sed' would be an example of a nondisplay > editor. Yes. I think so. I remember that first computers did not have monitors. Calculations have been entered on keyboard on a large box kind of a table (computer) and output went to printer, the printer was printing all the time. One could make nice Betty Boop pictures and other erotic cartoons all made out of letters and numbers. I am sure that some type of editor existed back at that time. But the word "display" may not be directly related to monitor, rather to simple displaying, as full term was "real-time display" which would mean, it changes text in the moment when you see it being changed and it displays text in the moment when you have changed it. Then when monitors arrived, there were probably editors like stream editor sed or ed as line editor, I ma just guessing, and the standard GNU line editor "ed" If I wish to edit with "ed" I would say: $ ed file but then nothing would happen, nothing would be displayed. I would need to do something like: i New line written here . w 22 q then the line "New line written here" would be in the file, as I saved it with "w" for 22 bytes, and quit with "q" Now, at the moment of writin the "New line written here", the line was maybe part of the text, I do not know, but it was not displayed in real time. Thus "real time display" editor is (probably) comparison to line editors. This comparison was useful back in time, today it is hard to explain to people. Jean