From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41097: 28.0.50; (dired-toggle-marks) not working after copy Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 19:58:18 +0300 Message-ID: <20200511165818.GL11267@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <83r1vrdbc0.fsf@gnu.org> <6bc132d3-2d2d-4eb3-86dd-b818c1b856a2@default> <83mu6fd9q6.fsf@gnu.org> <83k11jd8bs.fsf@gnu.org> <744818d3-e904-43a1-a3c1-a0a4a550ada1@default> <20200510195409.GD6298@protected.rcdrun.com> <5ac3067a-2f37-4122-8920-ca93d010c0dc@default> <20200511052615.GB2820@protected.rcdrun.com> <6b83a5d6-6774-42b5-af7e-0bca59a3a351@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="63639"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mutt/1.14.0 (2020-05-02) Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 41097@debbugs.gnu.org, tomasn@posteo.net, arthur.miller@live.com To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 11 18:59:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYBll-000GRj-A3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 18:59:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44894 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYBlk-0005cG-DK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:59:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58560) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYBle-0005bs-Ki for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:59:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:41567) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYBle-0006hR-Bi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:59:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYBle-0001IR-Ag for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:59:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:59:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41097 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 41097-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41097.15892163164951 (code B ref 41097); Mon, 11 May 2020 16:59:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41097) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 May 2020 16:58:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53113 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYBlE-0001Hn-07 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:58:36 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:59291) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jYBlC-0001HY-57 for 41097@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 12:58:34 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.210.145.198]) (AUTH: PLAIN securesender, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002F286B.000000005EB98430.00003DC6; Mon, 11 May 2020 09:58:23 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6b83a5d6-6774-42b5-af7e-0bca59a3a351@default> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:180074 Archived-At: > In the case at hand, someone decided that marking > for file deletion is more worth signaling that other > marking for other operations. I, for one, am fine > with that decision. You apparently are not. What's > important is that the doc and UI are clear about the > behavior, so all users know what to expect. I can adapt myself. I love how Emacs is created and many people participated and participate in its creation and improvements. I am myself alright, and I am also alright with many new things to learn in Emacs. Just looking from a new user perspective, it is still my own viewpoint with addition of my opinion how new user looks at it. I have used Emacs since 1999. For many years I have not even been aware of Dired. I have delivered computer courses back in 1990-1992. And I have delivered few GNU free software seminars in Germany. And all the time I have been using mostly Rox file manager of Midnight Commander, in the shell. I was not aware of dired, not at all. Emacs was for editing. If I open a file, where in the Tools says "File manager" -- but it should in my opinion. It is just in recent years that I became heavy user of dired, as I have extended my personal use to varieties that I could not implement in any other file manager. I am old but new user. So for me it was not easily accessible to discover Dired in so many years. And I program myself all the last 21 years. File menu has no such "File manager" menu. Of course I know today that I can open directory and I am in dired, but I was opening directory even before, and I did not know that I am in dired, all I knew is that I can open file for editing, that is what I knew. That is one example. Unspoken from the fact that I can use Emacs similar to the shell, as the main window to all of my computing needs. Nobody explained me that, I had to discover it myself and understand what other people are speaking about it. That I find so powerful. > FWIW: > > I've made quite a few changes to Dired menus in my own > code (Dired+). For one thing, I've separated flagging > for deletion from marking otherwise, and I've separated > unmarking from both: menus `Flag', `Mark', and `Unmark'. > And each of those menus has more items. And each of them > is a submenu of menu `Marks' (flags are marks). > > https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DiredPlus#MarksMenu I cannot find it in list-packages Jean