From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37267: 27.0.50; Menus About GNU and GNU and Freedom to be made offline Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 07:30:54 +0200 Message-ID: <20190917053054.GL22470@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <864l1vw7jw.fsf@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="248953"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: 37267@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 17 07:32:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iA660-0012fg-CT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 07:32:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41994 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iA65y-000703-W6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:32:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60719) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iA65r-0006zs-VJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:32:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iA65q-0004mS-RD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:32:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:42662) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iA65q-0004mL-Ne for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iA65q-0003jv-Ii for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:32:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 05:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37267 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 37267-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37267.156869826614316 (code B ref 37267); Tue, 17 Sep 2019 05:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37267) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Sep 2019 05:31:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51483 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iA64v-0003io-Ie for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:31:06 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:43725) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iA64s-0003iK-GY for 37267@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:31:03 -0400 Original-Received: from protected.rcdrun.com ([::ffff:31.223.149.84]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 000000000006E35F.000000005D806F90.00004288; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 22:30:56 -0700 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1001) by protected.rcdrun.com with local id 00000000000C18DC.000000005D806F8E.00002D17; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 07:30:54 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:166610 Archived-At: * Glenn Morris [2019-09-17 03:18]: > Stefan Kangas wrote: > > >> Perhaps we should also include > >> https://gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html > >> and https://gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html. > > > > I think that makes sense. Are there any objections to removing the > > wontfix tag? > > Yes, why should Emacs have to distribute these files (after no > objections to a 5-year removal process), as opposed to any other GNU project? > > Why not make a separate project collecting said docs and encourage > GNU/Linux distributions to make it a binary dependency (or suggested > package) for all GNU packages? Emacs is probably main GNU package, it is popular and helps in disseminating the information about GNU project since its beginning. I am sure that is why those files like "About GNU" are included in the Emacs, as it is main prominent and very necessary GNU package, there were not so many software programs in the beginning, software like Emacs was used to disseminate GNU information, and I hope it remains so forever. This bug was to change menu from the online URL to the static text to be displayed within Emacs, that contains the online URL, for reasons that majority of this world still does not have proper Internet connection and thus menu item remains not accessible. It relates to last menu item in Help menu "About GNU" (the URL) so that the text "About GNU" can be shown within Emacs and without online connection. It is little different subject which files shall be distributed with the Emacs distribution. Those files make it quite informative and have brought number of users to GNU project, there are jokes and other informational files in Emacs distribution. Jean