From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37267: 27.0.50; Menus About GNU and GNU and Freedom to be made offline Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 08:01:27 +0200 Message-ID: <20190903060126.GA21659@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <864l1vw7jw.fsf@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="116100"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: 37267@debbugs.gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 03 08:02:13 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i51tM-000U58-KC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 08:02:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41872 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i51tL-0003Qq-2t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 02:02:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54535) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i51tD-0003Qe-Cr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 02:02:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i51tC-0003qP-1v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 02:02:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:50403) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i51tB-0003qI-Uo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 02:02:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i51tB-0005vd-OS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 02:02:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 06:02:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37267 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 37267-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37267.156749049622759 (code B ref 37267); Tue, 03 Sep 2019 06:02:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37267) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2019 06:01:36 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59224 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i51sm-0005v0-Da for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 02:01:36 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:45385) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i51sk-0005un-8Y for 37267@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 02:01:35 -0400 Original-Received: from protected.rcdrun.com ([::ffff:31.223.149.154]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000320F4.000000005D6E01B8.00001D69; Mon, 02 Sep 2019 23:01:28 -0700 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1001) by protected.rcdrun.com with local id 00000000000C0FB7.000000005D6E01B7.0000554B; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 08:01:27 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:166170 Archived-At: * Richard Stallman [2019-09-03 07:36]: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > We used to include copies of such articles in /etc. > I removed them, thinking that it was better to refer to the web. > I wanted to remove something from the Emacs distro that I > thought was superfluous. > > Based on what you've just said, maybe we should include > copies of the most important articles in the Emacs distribution, > as before. > > Perhaps we should also include > https://gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html > and https://gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html. Please think of the time when Emacs was distributed on CD, or diskette, people did not have Internet. It was for many a line to find out about the free software. All those distributions and dissemination of free software was targetting mostly developed countries. I remember in Germany 1997-1998, it was hard to obtain the set of GNU CDs, and even then, just few of them were available in the major library, and quickly sold. Today in Western countries, more or less, free software has got it place and position in space and time, and it is politically recognized within European Union, well known in North Americas and I would say to good degree in South Americas. If I think just of 3 countries in East Africa, Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania, that is already about 150 million people, about little less than half of the US population, and free software is almost unknown. Yes, many people have smart phones there, but Internet is expensive for many students, and they have no possibility to access those menus with Internet links. Emacs is still mainly offline editor, thus offline Help and "About GNU" shall give the offline resource, not online resource. And if online resource is important, than one can make 2 menus, one online, one offline. The menu item "About GNU" points to https://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.html I consider "The GNU Project" important for those professors in universities which could be the driving force to convert all university into free software and understand how it can impact all the country. >From Western viewpoint, maybe every school has access to Internet, but that is not so. Universities in East Africa often do not have their fixed phone lines, unspoken from Internet lines, and may be far deep in the jungle where no fixed Internet line comes in. Busitema[1] university is just after the Busitema forest[2], resources are scarce in the area, student live in campus and live on little money. If we think of people who do not have Internet, at least not all the time, we shall provide them with offline articles, such as "About GNU" in the main Emacs menu, under Help, which is major one to understand the roots of free software. We should look from viewpoint of those new areas in the world where nobody knows about free software, where proprietary is not dominant, we could rather say "almost absolute". Jean Footnotes: [1] http://www.busitema.ac.ug [2] https://ugandatourismcenter.com/place/busitema-forest/