From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37267: 27.0.50; Menus About GNU and GNU and Freedom to be made offline Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 06:56:18 +0200 Message-ID: <20190903045618.GA20783@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <864l1vw7jw.fsf@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="137222"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: 37267@debbugs.gnu.org To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 03 06:57:13 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i50sS-000ZXC-60 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 06:57:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41456 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i50sQ-0006V4-HM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 00:57:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42027) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i50sJ-0006TY-Qe for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 00:57:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i50sI-0005N1-R2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 00:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:50356) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i50sI-0005Mt-H2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 00:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i50sI-0004AC-Et for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 00:57:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Jean Louis Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 04:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37267 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 37267-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37267.156748658915961 (code B ref 37267); Tue, 03 Sep 2019 04:57:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37267) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Sep 2019 04:56:29 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59177 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i50rk-00049N-UH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 00:56:29 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:53421) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i50rj-00049A-2k for 37267@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 00:56:27 -0400 Original-Received: from protected.rcdrun.com ([::ffff:31.223.149.154]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000320E7.000000005D6DF274.000017F6; Mon, 02 Sep 2019 21:56:20 -0700 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1001) by protected.rcdrun.com with local id 00000000000C0FB7.000000005D6DF272.000051D2; Tue, 03 Sep 2019 06:56:18 +0200 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:166168 Archived-At: * Glenn Morris [2019-09-03 01:43]: > > We made the opposite decision 5+ years ago, ref eg 00156f9549. Sure somebody made such decision in past. Is that to keep up with the ever changing online page? I think that Emacs version is changing more often then the referenced pages. And I am thinking for dissemination of the message that is referenced by those URLs, in fact I am worried for that, as I know from first hand that so many students do not have access to Internet. At least not always and not from every computer. I also know they use Emacs from relation with some of those students in East Africa. Speaking just out of personal experience. I can see that those files were removed out of the offline distribution: * etc/CENSORSHIP, etc/GNU, etc/LINUX-GNU, etc/THE-GNU-PROJECT, etc/WHY-FREE: This happened, so it seems to me, out of the idea that everybody has Internet. It would be more beneficial would it stay in the distribution, and that menus are offline available. Or that menus would point to online links only when there is Internet available, that could be double option. Files like GNU-PROJECT and those others, they need not be Emacs specific to be with the Emacs, there is nothing wrong it it. It is spreading free software idea. Does the removal of those files point to some statistics that files were not contributive to free software idea? I remember myself reading similar files in /etc back in 1999 and "getting the idea", and I did not find it on Internet neither looked for it on Internet. Think about what is beneficial to spread the message of free software. Even if you made decision in past, you can still make new decision in present. Jean