From: Robert Alessi <alessi@robertalessi.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, 36717@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:54:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190719095407.GB5734@robertalessi.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83lfwuv05b.fsf@gnu.org>
On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:33:52PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > I went through almost all the documents that are listed here:
> > https://unicode.org/versions/ (in reverse chronological order), and
> > couldn't find any statement of Greek oxia being deprecated in favor of
> > tonos, contrary to what is claimed here:
> > https://wiki.digitalclassicist.org/Greek_Unicode_duplicated_vowels
>
> So the basic claim that started this issue is no longer valid? IOW,
> this assertion:
>
> As of 2016, the latest versions of Unicode (as of 2016) have now
> formally deprecated and removed the vowel+oxia combinations from the
> Greek extended range, leaving only the vowel+tonos from the basic Greek
> and Coptic range.
>
> is not really accurate?
I would say so, to say the least, but I am still investigating. What
is sure is that tonos originally does not encode the same as oxia.
The former encodes a stress, while the latter encodes a pitch. This
is undisputable. That said, the fact that the Greek government did
decree that tonos shall be the same as oxia (to be taken cautiously, I
am not a specialist of modern Greek) surely introduced a lot of
confusion.
For example, if one makes no distinction between the two, then it
becomes harder to analyse large corpuses with a computer.
> > One question remains—and I wish to express my gratitude to all of you,
> > Robert, Basil and Eli: since assigning vowels with tonos and vowels
> > with oxia to the same code points is clearly unacceptable even if the
> > glyphs may be identical, is there a way to input tonos and vowels with
> > tonos with emacs? I use greek-ibycus4, but if other input methods
> > can handle these letters, I would consider any change unnecessary.
>
> "C-x RET 8" would be the immediate answer, IIUC.
Well that is not very friendly...
> But I'm still studying the issue, so maybe I'm missing something.
Just the same on my side.
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Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-07-18 9:03 bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 14:54 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 17:32 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 18:06 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 18:47 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 18:57 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 20:14 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 20:32 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 6:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 8:27 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 9:09 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 13:27 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 14:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 14:41 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 14:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 14:52 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 15:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 15:14 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 14:45 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 8:58 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 9:26 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 9:42 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 9:49 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 10:03 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 11:49 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 13:32 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 13:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 13:31 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 14:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-16 13:59 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-07-19 13:29 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-19 13:33 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 9:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 9:54 ` Robert Alessi [this message]
2019-07-19 12:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-19 13:47 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 18:19 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-18 20:19 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 20:52 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-18 18:16 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-18 18:47 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 20:27 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-18 20:23 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 9:40 ` Robert Pluim
2019-07-18 18:16 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-18 20:29 ` Robert Alessi
2019-07-19 12:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
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