From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Alessi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36717: 25.3; greek.el: deprecated vowel+oxia combinations should be replaced with vowel+tonos counterparts Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:19:48 +0200 Message-ID: <20190718201948.GC4886@robertalessi.net> References: <87zhlbaf5d.fsf@kiddo.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <20190718173252.GA3093@robertalessi.net> <87blxr2okn.fsf@tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="121629"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Robert Pluim , 36717@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 19 00:59:09 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hoFMj-000VVE-FF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 00:59:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41304 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoFMi-0000lz-1U for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:59:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36554) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoFMf-0000lt-7j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:59:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoFMd-0005ww-Pi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:59:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46005) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoFMc-0005w4-2y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:59:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoFMc-00039E-0q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:59:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Robert Alessi Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36717 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 36717-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36717.156349069612039 (code B ref 36717); Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:59:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 36717) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2019 22:58:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54826 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoFLs-000386-HB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:58:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:57736) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoFLq-00037y-GV for 36717@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 18:58:15 -0400 Original-Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEBB91A0777; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 13:19:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Riseup-User-ID: F275E63550399E1BD530A2A45688C0CA29B60D2A3BD0C802BC18D561D50C2FAB Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by capuchin.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 555B61207A5; Thu, 18 Jul 2019 13:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87blxr2okn.fsf@tcd.ie> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:163345 Archived-At: On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 07:19:04PM +0100, Basil L. Contovounesios wrote: > Robert Alessi writes: > > Very well spotted. Actually, the latter is the right one—that is: > > Greek Tonos, U+0384—while the former, Greek Oxia (U+1FFD) belongs to > > the group that was deprecated. So it is the other way round: keep the > > former, and make the latter go. > > AFAICT the link you provided does not say anything about oxia the > standalone character. You are perfectly right. If it were up to me I would recommend to keep all those characters that were considered as duplicates. I quote here from this page[^1]: A false distinction was introduced to Unicode between the oxia (acute) and tonos, resulting in wrongly duplicated code points. See Greek Unicode duplicated vowels for a full discussion. So strictly speaking, oxia alone is not yet removed from Unicode. But as alpha, epsilon, eta, iota, omicron upsilon omega with oxia were allegedly deprecated *and removed* from the Greek extended range, I would say that oxia alone does not have much to live. [^1]: https://wiki.digitalclassicist.org/Unicode_for_ancient_languages > > I'm still interested in seeing some documentation on this deprecation > that is not from digitalclassicist.org. That, according to digitalclassicist.org, of course. I will try to see if I find anything of relevance on unicode.org and report back. Robert > Thanks, > > -- > Basil