From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35887: 26.1; global-eldoc-mode minibuffer noise is very annoying Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 17:24:41 -0600 Message-ID: <20190524170443272636257@bob.proulx.com> References: <87sgt3k4w0.fsf@hysteria.proulx.com> <85tvdjd1gy.fsf@gmail.com> <20190524151617874644844@bob.proulx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="6889"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: 35887@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 25 01:25:23 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hUJYv-0001by-Fu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 May 2019 01:25:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33102 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUJYt-0008LS-W2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 19:25:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53534) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUJYi-0008Jg-Av for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 19:25:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUJYg-0004aO-E7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 19:25:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:34074) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hUJYc-0004XH-R1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 19:25:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hUJYc-00086x-Lm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 19:25:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Bob Proulx Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 23:25:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 35887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 35887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B35887.155874029031154 (code B ref 35887); Fri, 24 May 2019 23:25:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 35887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2019 23:24:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47618 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hUJYP-00086P-NF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 19:24:49 -0400 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:40526) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hUJYN-000868-Bf for 35887@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 May 2019 19:24:48 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EBD2B5; Fri, 24 May 2019 17:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C04421145; Fri, 24 May 2019 17:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4ED1F2DC80; Fri, 24 May 2019 17:24:41 -0600 (MDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:159741 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov wrote: > Bob Proulx wrote: > > Please revert the default enabling of global-eldoc-mode. > > So... do you not like ElDoc at all? I haven't tried eldoc-mode so I don't know. I know that I do NOT like the over-exuberance of global-eldoc-mode on elisp files. It is global-eldoc-mode that I am talking about here. Normally when I want to look up the syntax of "if" or "let" as is the majority of the noise from global-eldoc-mode, I put the cursor on the function and then C-h f RET to look at the help for that function. It's quick and simple and gives even more information than the syntax hint given by global-eldoc-mode. And of course that works for the more interesting and complex functions one might need a reminder about too. > AFAIK, it's a fairly popular feature. And Emacs 26.1 was released a year ago > already. I think you're the first user to complain about this new default. I am one of the many users of the stable distributions. Today was the first day that I experienced this behavior. I don't usually make these types of bug reports. I usually just suck it up and silently increase the size of my .emacs file with the code to fix the problem. I did that again today because switching to fundamental-mode was even more annoying. But today I was annoyed enough to submit a bug report. I email'd a friend and he is still using emacs 24 so wasn't seeing this yet but thanked me for the information for when he must upgrade futher. I know that there are a large number of users in addition to me that is not leading on the bleeding edge builds and will eventually see this as yet another nuiscance that makes Emacs tedious to use. Yet another customization that is required before Emacs is usable. While many people live on the bleeding edge a large number of us like stability. I have 3846 unique packages installed on my desktop. Must I track the bleeding edge for all of them in order to keep up with development changes such as this? Bob