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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@users.sourceforge.net>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>,
	30393@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#30393: 24.4; cperl-mode: indentation failure
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 11:26:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180210112654.GA4537@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3331f80a-c5aa-5cb9-8088-0a88888bdaca@yandex.ru>

Hello, Dmitry.

On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 11:53:55 +0300, Dmitry Gutov wrote:
> On 2/9/18 8:50 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

> >> Specifically, it's the open paren in the column 0 that triggers it.  You
> >> can set `open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start' to nil to fix it.  Same
> >> idea as Bug#25480 (that one is cc-mode).

[ .... ]

> > If my fix isn't going to be accepted, I think it's high time that
> > somebody else stepped up to the plate and fixed this monstrosity once
> > and for all.

> Have you seen 14b95587520959c5b54356547a0a69932a9bb480?

No, I hadn't.  Thanks, Stefan!

I'm not sure, but I think there's a danger of a recursive loop, should a
major mode use a hook in syntax-ppss to calculate syntax-table
properties, and that hook call forward-comment.

> AFAICT, open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start doesn't have much effect now.

That patch is incomplete, though.  I propose the following, to make it
more complete:



diff --git a/doc/emacs/programs.texi b/doc/emacs/programs.texi
index 4289124545..0fa37530ef 100644
--- a/doc/emacs/programs.texi
+++ b/doc/emacs/programs.texi
@@ -153,54 +153,35 @@ Left Margin Paren
 @cindex ( in leftmost column
   Many programming-language modes assume by default that any opening
 delimiter found at the left margin is the start of a top-level
-definition, or defun.  Therefore, @strong{don't put an opening
-delimiter at the left margin unless it should have that significance}.
-For instance, never put an open-parenthesis at the left margin in a
-Lisp file unless it is the start of a top-level list.
-
-  The convention speeds up many Emacs operations, which would
-otherwise have to scan back to the beginning of the buffer to analyze
-the syntax of the code.
-
-  If you don't follow this convention, not only will you have trouble
-when you explicitly use the commands for motion by defuns; other
-features that use them will also give you trouble.  This includes the
-indentation commands (@pxref{Program Indent}) and Font Lock mode
-(@pxref{Font Lock}).
-
-  The most likely problem case is when you want an opening delimiter
-at the start of a line inside a string.  To avoid trouble, put an
-escape character (@samp{\}, in C and Emacs Lisp, @samp{/} in some
-other Lisp dialects) before the opening delimiter.  This will not
-affect the contents of the string, but will prevent that opening
-delimiter from starting a defun.  Here's an example:
-
-@example
-  (insert "Foo:
-\(bar)
-")
-@end example
-
-  To help you catch violations of this convention, Font Lock mode
-highlights confusing opening delimiters (those that ought to be
-quoted) in bold red.
+definition, or defun.  Therefore, in these modes, don't put an opening
+delimiter at the left margin, except in a comment or string, unless it
+should have that significance.  For instance, never put an
+open-parenthesis at the left margin in a Lisp file unless it is the
+start of a top-level list.
+
+  In earlier versions of Emacs (through version 26.n), Emacs exploited
+this convention to speed up many low-level operations, which would
+otherwise have to scan back to the beginning of the buffer.
+Unfortunately, this caused confusion when an opening delimiter
+occurred at column zero inside a comment.  The resulting faulty
+analysis often caused wrong indentation or fontification.  The
+convention could be overridden by setting the user option
+@code{open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start} to @code{nil}, but this
+slowed Emacs down, particularaly when editing large buffers.
+
+  To eliminate these problems, the low level functionality which used
+to test for opening delimiters at column 0 no longer does so.  Open
+delimiters may now be freely written at the left margin inside
+comments and strings without triggering these problems.
 
 @vindex open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start
-  If you need to override this convention, you can do so by setting
-the variable @code{open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start}.
-If this user option is set to @code{t} (the default), opening
-parentheses or braces at column zero always start defuns.  When it is
-@code{nil}, defuns are found by searching for parens or braces at the
-outermost level.
-
-  Usually, you should leave this option at its default value of
-@code{t}.  If your buffer contains parentheses or braces in column
-zero which don't start defuns, and it is somehow impractical to remove
-these parentheses or braces, it might be helpful to set the option to
-@code{nil}.  Be aware that this might make scrolling and display in
-large buffers quite sluggish.  Furthermore, the parentheses and braces
-must be correctly matched throughout the buffer for it to work
-properly.
+  If you want to override the convention, which is still used by some
+higher level commands, you can do so by setting the variable
+@code{open-paren-in-column-0-is-defun-start} to @code{nil}.  If this
+user option is set to @code{t} (the default), these commands will stop
+at opening parentheses or braces at column zero when seeking the start
+of defuns.  When it is @code{nil}, defuns are found by searching for
+parens or braces at the outermost level.
 
 @node Moving by Defuns
 @subsection Moving by Defuns


-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).





  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-10 11:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-08 15:25 bug#30393: 24.4; cperl-mode: indentation failure paulusm
2018-02-09  1:44 ` Noam Postavsky
     [not found] ` <mailman.8766.1518140709.27995.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2018-02-09 17:50   ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-02-10  3:55     ` Noam Postavsky
2018-02-10  8:53     ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-02-10 11:26       ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2018-02-10 12:08         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-11 12:49           ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-02-11 16:16             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-14 21:00               ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-02-15 17:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-16 11:52                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-02-16 17:43                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-02-17  2:16                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-02-17 10:54                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-02-10 14:58         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-11 10:36           ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-02-11 22:53             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-12 18:38               ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-02-12 20:45                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-05  8:42                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-03-05 16:14                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 18:09                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-04-08 10:52                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-04-09 18:41                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-10 17:31                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-04-16 19:21                           ` bug#30393: 24.4; cperl-mode: indentation failure - Documentation enhancements Alan Mackenzie
2018-04-19  7:52                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-08-22 16:07                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-11-03 13:45 ` bug#30393: [PATCH] Add a test to verify that the bug is gone (and a fix for Emacs 26) Harald Jörg
2020-11-03 14:29   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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