From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote. Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:03:47 +0000 Message-ID: <20170611100347.GA4280@acm.fritz.box> References: <20170608173400.GA2662@acm.fritz.box> <20170609194141.GA3410@acm.fritz.box> <3b2a119e-7c2e-e906-dea0-ae91aca80f33@cs.ucla.edu> <0846dd8a-804d-4df9-8a45-979a9d49b5d6@default> <94369fcb-ce5f-17be-ced7-0e30bf1dd29f@cs.ucla.edu> <20170610100103.GA2960@acm.fritz.box> <87ink4f72b.fsf@engster.org> <20170610130100.GB2960@acm.fritz.box> <83y3t055d6.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1497175509 21574 195.159.176.226 (11 Jun 2017 10:05:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:05:09 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 23425@debbugs.gnu.org, deng@randomsample.de To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 11 12:05:05 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dJzk0-0005R6-MO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 12:05:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33428 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dJzk5-0002Z3-TT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 06:05:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38571) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dJzjz-0002Yx-Jj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 06:05:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dJzjy-0007RT-RE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 06:05:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:37095) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dJzjy-0007RP-Nw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 06:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dJzjy-0007TK-9y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 06:05:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23425 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23425-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23425.149717549628707 (code B ref 23425); Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:05:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23425) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jun 2017 10:04:56 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39772 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dJzjs-0007Sx-5f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 06:04:56 -0400 Original-Received: from ocolin.muc.de ([193.149.48.4]:64045 helo=mail.muc.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dJzjr-0007Sp-2j for 23425@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 06:04:55 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 7713 invoked by uid 3782); 11 Jun 2017 10:04:53 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p548C6984.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.140.105.132]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2017 12:04:52 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 4381 invoked by uid 1000); 11 Jun 2017 10:03:48 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83y3t055d6.fsf@gnu.org> X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:133468 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 16:39:33 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > It's a non backward-compatible change to a critical bit of Emacs. > > `message' was previously a logical, strong function, and it has been > > turned into a messy function which sort of works most of the time. > IME, it [`message'] works quite well all of the time. It does not work at all for outputting ` and '. Ugly workarounds are required for that. > Where it has some deficiencies, I'm sure we will with time improve it > so it works even better. That's my experience in Emacs for many years. If it doesn't get fixed now, it will never be fixed. > And with that, I think it's high time to end this discussion. How about fixing this bug first? -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).