* bug#23786: 25.0.95 and 24.5: NS variants both scroll too much
@ 2016-06-17 15:15 Peter Dyballa
2016-06-18 7:18 ` Jiajie Chen
2016-06-18 11:45 ` Alan Third
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Peter Dyballa @ 2016-06-17 15:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 23786; +Cc: Peter Dyballa
Hello!
These two Emacsen,
In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS appkit-1265.21 Version 10.9.5 (Build 13F1603))
of 2016-06-11 built on builder10-9.local
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404
Configured using:
'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application
Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application
Support/Emacs/site-lisp''
Configured features:
NOTIFY ACL LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS
Important settings:
value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
and
In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.4.0, NS apple-appkit-1404.46)
of 2016-05-13 on demucwolf85.muc.de.ad.dom
Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1404
Configured using:
`configure --with-ns --disable-ns-self-contained
'--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application Support/Emacs''
Important settings:
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
and
In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS appkit-1265.21 Version 10.9.5 (Build 13F1603))
of 2016-06-11 built on builder10-9.local
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404
Configured using:
'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application
Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application
Support/Emacs/site-lisp''
Configured features:
NOTIFY ACL LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS
Important settings:
value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
and
In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.5.0, NS appkit-1404.47 Version 10.11.5 (Build 15F34))
of 2016-06-17 built on demucwolf85.muc.de.ad.dom
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404
Configured using:
'configure --with-ns --disable-ns-self-contained
'--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application Support/Emacs''
Configured features:
RSVG IMAGEMAGICK NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS
Important settings:
value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
all scroll too much when I use the extra Bluetooth trackpad of an iMac (27“, Late 2013) instead of the Mighty Mouse.
For example in Safari, reading an entry in Wikipedia, the scrolling action is OK, I can easily synchronize speed of reading and speed of scrolling. In the NS variants the scrolling is much too fast, I would need to move my two fingers by µm/sec and not by human mm/sec. Or is there a hidden setting I have to change?
The X client,
In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.4.0, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars)
of 2016-05-04 on demucsculz39-02.muc.de.ad.dom
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11604000
Configured using:
`configure --with-x '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application
Support/Emacs''
Important settings:
value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8
locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
behaves quite OK with XQuartz 2.7.8 (xorg-server 1.16.4) and XQuartz 2.7.9 (xorg-server 1.17.4). Here it’s possible to set the amount or speed of scrolling.
(Mac) OS X 10.11.5 (15F34), El Capitan. Bluetooth keyboard and Bluetooth trackpad.
—
Greetings
Pete
f u cn rd ths, itn tyg h myxbl cd.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* bug#23786: 25.0.95 and 24.5: NS variants both scroll too much
2016-06-17 15:15 bug#23786: 25.0.95 and 24.5: NS variants both scroll too much Peter Dyballa
@ 2016-06-18 7:18 ` Jiajie Chen
2016-06-18 11:45 ` Alan Third
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Jiajie Chen @ 2016-06-18 7:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: 23786
Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE> writes:
This are the settings I am using:
(setq mouse-wheel-scroll-amount '(1 ((shift) . 1))) ;; one line at a time
(setq mouse-wheel-progressive-speed nil) ;; don't accelerate scrolling
(setq mouse-wheel-follow-mouse 't) ;; scroll window under mouse
Not very smooth but slow enough indeed. For more information, see https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SmoothScrolling.
> Hello!
>
> These two Emacsen,
>
> In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS appkit-1265.21 Version 10.9.5 (Build 13F1603))
> of 2016-06-11 built on builder10-9.local
> Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404
> Configured using:
> 'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application
> Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application
> Support/Emacs/site-lisp''
>
> Configured features:
> NOTIFY ACL LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS
>
> Important settings:
> value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8
> locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
>
> and
>
> In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.4.0, NS apple-appkit-1404.46)
> of 2016-05-13 on demucwolf85.muc.de.ad.dom
> Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1404
> Configured using:
> `configure --with-ns --disable-ns-self-contained
> '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application Support/Emacs''
>
> Important settings:
> locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
>
> and
>
> In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin13.4.0, NS appkit-1265.21 Version 10.9.5 (Build 13F1603))
> of 2016-06-11 built on builder10-9.local
> Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404
> Configured using:
> 'configure --with-ns '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application
> Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application
> Support/Emacs/site-lisp''
>
> Configured features:
> NOTIFY ACL LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS
>
> Important settings:
> value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8
> locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
>
> and
>
> In GNU Emacs 25.0.95.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.5.0, NS appkit-1404.47 Version 10.11.5 (Build 15F34))
> of 2016-06-17 built on demucwolf85.muc.de.ad.dom
> Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404
> Configured using:
> 'configure --with-ns --disable-ns-self-contained
> '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application Support/Emacs''
>
> Configured features:
> RSVG IMAGEMAGICK NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS
>
> Important settings:
> value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8
> locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
>
> all scroll too much when I use the extra Bluetooth trackpad of an iMac (27“, Late 2013) instead of the Mighty Mouse.
>
> For example in Safari, reading an entry in Wikipedia, the scrolling action is OK, I can easily synchronize speed of reading and speed of scrolling. In the NS variants the scrolling is much too fast, I would need to move my two fingers by µm/sec and not by human mm/sec. Or is there a hidden setting I have to change?
>
> The X client,
>
> In GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.4.0, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars)
> of 2016-05-04 on demucsculz39-02.muc.de.ad.dom
> Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11604000
> Configured using:
> `configure --with-x '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application
> Support/Emacs''
>
> Important settings:
> value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8
> locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
>
> behaves quite OK with XQuartz 2.7.8 (xorg-server 1.16.4) and XQuartz 2.7.9 (xorg-server 1.17.4). Here it’s possible to set the amount or speed of scrolling.
>
> (Mac) OS X 10.11.5 (15F34), El Capitan. Bluetooth keyboard and Bluetooth trackpad.
>
> —
>
> Greetings
>
> Pete
>
> f u cn rd ths, itn tyg h myxbl cd.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* bug#23786: 25.0.95 and 24.5: NS variants both scroll too much
2016-06-17 15:15 bug#23786: 25.0.95 and 24.5: NS variants both scroll too much Peter Dyballa
2016-06-18 7:18 ` Jiajie Chen
@ 2016-06-18 11:45 ` Alan Third
2016-06-19 12:21 ` Peter Dyballa
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Alan Third @ 2016-06-18 11:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: 23786
On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 05:15:39PM +0200, Peter Dyballa wrote:
> <various Emacs versions>
> all scroll too much when I use the extra Bluetooth trackpad of an
> iMac (27“, Late 2013) instead of the Mighty Mouse.
>
> For example in Safari, reading an entry in Wikipedia, the scrolling
> action is OK, I can easily synchronize speed of reading and speed of
> scrolling. In the NS variants the scrolling is much too fast, I
> would need to move my two fingers by µm/sec and not by human mm/sec.
> Or is there a hidden setting I have to change?
Are you saying it scrolls OK with the mouse, but not the trackpad?
--
Alan Third
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#23786: 25.0.95 and 24.5: NS variants both scroll too much
2016-06-18 11:45 ` Alan Third
@ 2016-06-19 12:21 ` Peter Dyballa
2016-08-16 19:55 ` Toon Claes
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Peter Dyballa @ 2016-06-19 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Alan Third; +Cc: 23786, Peter Dyballa
> Am 18.06.2016 um 13:45 schrieb Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>:
>
> Are you saying it scrolls OK with the mouse, but not the trackpad?
Yes. The default setting for the mouse could be a bit improved, using the suggestions of Jiajie Chen – I am usually not working with mice – because it scrolls a bit too fast, but by far not that fast as the trackpad.
Is there a way to find out on the command line the preferences set for mouse and trackpad? Maybe it would help determine the cause for my bug report.
--
Greetings
Pete
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* bug#23786: 25.0.95 and 24.5: NS variants both scroll too much
2016-06-19 12:21 ` Peter Dyballa
@ 2016-08-16 19:55 ` Toon Claes
2016-08-25 12:36 ` Peter Dyballa
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Toon Claes @ 2016-08-16 19:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: 23786, Alan Third, Jiajie Chen
Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE> writes:
> Hello!
Hi Pete,
> all scroll too much when I use the extra Bluetooth trackpad of an iMac
> (27“, Late 2013) instead of the Mighty Mouse.
Is it a Magic Trackpad, or a Magic Trackpad 2 with Force Touch?
I use the latter on a daily basis. But I have an old one laying around
somewhere. I also have a Magic Mouse. But you are using a Mighty Mouse,
aren't you?
> Yes. The default setting for the mouse could be a bit improved, using
> the suggestions of Jiajie Chen – I am usually not working with mice –
> because it scrolls a bit too fast, but by far not that fast as the
> trackpad.
I also did not know about those settings, thanks a bunch Jiajie Chen.
These settings feel a lot more natural, so maybe we should consider
changing the defaults (although I actually never scroll with mouse in
Emacs).
> Is there a way to find out on the command line the preferences set for
> mouse and trackpad? Maybe it would help determine the cause for my bug
> report.
Mac OS X has the `defaults` tool to read/write settings from the command
line. For example on my machine:
$ defaults read -g | grep mouse
"com.apple.mouse.scaling" = "2.5";
$ defaults read -g | grep trackpad
"com.apple.trackpad.forceClick" = 1;
"com.apple.trackpad.scaling" = "1.5";
Regards,
Toon
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2016-08-16 19:55 ` Toon Claes
@ 2016-08-25 12:36 ` Peter Dyballa
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Peter Dyballa @ 2016-08-25 12:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Toon Claes; +Cc: 23786, Peter Dyballa, Jiajie Chen, Alan Third
> Am 16.08.2016 um 21:55 schrieb Toon Claes <toon@iotcl.com>:
>
> Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Freenet.DE> writes:
>
>> Hello!
>
> Hi Pete,
>
>> all scroll too much when I use the extra Bluetooth trackpad of an iMac
>> (27“, Late 2013) instead of the Mighty Mouse.
>
> Is it a Magic Trackpad, or a Magic Trackpad 2 with Force Touch?
> I use the latter on a daily basis. But I have an old one laying around
> somewhere. I also have a Magic Mouse. But you are using a Mighty Mouse,
> aren't you?
I did not buy anything, it’s the gear my employer provides me with. System Report/System Information says about the mouse:
Services: Apple Magic Mouse
Manufacturer: Apple (0x3, 0x31C)
Firmware Version: 0x0306
Vendor ID: 0x05AC
Product ID: 0x030D
Class of Device: 0x05 0x20 0x2580
And about the trackpad it reports:
Services: Apple Wireless Trackpad
Manufacturer: Apple (0x3, 0x31C)
Firmware Version: 0x0160
Vendor ID: 0x05AC
Product ID: 0x030E
Class of Device: 0x05 0x25 0x2594
>
>> Yes. The default setting for the mouse could be a bit improved, using
>> the suggestions of Jiajie Chen – I am usually not working with mice –
>> because it scrolls a bit too fast, but by far not that fast as the
>> trackpad.
>
> I also did not know about those settings, thanks a bunch Jiajie Chen.
> These settings feel a lot more natural, so maybe we should consider
> changing the defaults (although I actually never scroll with mouse in
> Emacs).
>
>> Is there a way to find out on the command line the preferences set for
>> mouse and trackpad? Maybe it would help determine the cause for my bug
>> report.
Meanwhile mouse and trackpad are working better. The commands below give for me:
"com.apple.mouse.scaling" = "0.875";
"com.apple.trackpad.scaling" = "1.5";
>
> Mac OS X has the `defaults` tool to read/write settings from the command
> line. For example on my machine:
>
> $ defaults read -g | grep mouse
>
> "com.apple.mouse.scaling" = "2.5";
>
> $ defaults read -g | grep trackpad
> "com.apple.trackpad.forceClick" = 1;
> "com.apple.trackpad.scaling" = "1.5";
My customisation looks minimal:
(setq scroll-conservatively 1000)
'(mouse-wheel-scroll-amount (quote (3 ((shift) . 1) ((control)))))
I think that I just changed 2 to 3…
For GNU Emacs 25 I have changed
(setq mouse-wheel-progressive-speed nil) to '(mouse-wheel-progressive-speed t). Behaviour of GNU Emacs 24 and 25 is now fine.
—
Greetings
Pete
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