From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote. Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 08:06:06 +0000 Message-ID: <20160505080606.GA1950@acm.fritz.box> References: <20160502191031.GB2048@acm.fritz.box> <83a8k7kv87.fsf@gnu.org> <20160503162716.GB11330@acm.fritz.box> <831t5jkrn2.fsf@gnu.org> <20160503200330.GC11330@acm.fritz.box> <83twidj0tj.fsf@gnu.org> <20160504164849.GA31717@acm.fritz.box> <83d1p1iwls.fsf@gnu.org> <20160504180417.GB31717@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462435668 23795 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2016 08:07:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 08:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 23425@debbugs.gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 05 10:07:32 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ayEJl-0001rZ-Sc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 10:07:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52558 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayEJh-0000zA-Sm for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 04:07:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40729) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayEJZ-0000lK-Bv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 04:07:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayEJN-0002cI-EJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 04:07:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54573) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayEJN-0002bH-BM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 04:07:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ayEJJ-00007A-SN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 04:07:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 08:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23425 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23425-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23425.1462435569378 (code B ref 23425); Thu, 05 May 2016 08:07:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23425) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2016 08:06:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38677 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ayEIT-000061-KE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 04:06:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:36659) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ayEIS-00005u-F8 for 23425@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 04:06:09 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 41092 invoked by uid 3782); 5 May 2016 08:06:07 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p548C62E6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.140.98.230]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 May 2016 10:06:06 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 2029 invoked by uid 1000); 5 May 2016 08:06:06 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117835 Archived-At: Hello, John. On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 11:46:58AM -0700, John Wiegley wrote: > Hi guys, > I appreciate the passion on this issue; I had a feeling this would come up, > and I think the reaction is going to be far more widespread than some expect. > As maintainer, I'll go on record by saying that I very much dislike the new > curly quotes logic. After the reactions I've read here, I'm convinced again > that a customization option needs to exist in 25.1, so we can easily recommend > it to people who react as Alan has done. :-) [ .... ] > At this point, I cannot undo this feature [translation of single quotes > in help messages and message format strings], since that would > destabilize 25.1. However, we must have an option to conveniently > disable it before the release happens. Of that I am now certain. Would > someone be willing to craft a patch, please? I committed 32f5bf0c29bbad6524f71079e4380b8156289551 to master last night just before I read your post. It adds the value `leave' (as in "leave alone and don't touch") to the set valid in `text-quoting-style'. This might be what you're looking for, or serve as the basis for it. `text-quoting-style' so far remains a mere Lisp variable, not a customisable option. > Lastly, to play devil's advocate: I also recognize, after having written this, > that I'm something of an "old fogey" in Emacs terms, with a special place for > ASCII in my heart. It's quite possible that the new-and-coming generation is > very fond of Unicode, and they will all love this feature, since it gives > Emacs a more modern "feel". For their sake, I'm prepared to wait for the > world's judgment before deciding that this feature is entirely terrible. We old fogies need our tools just as much as the new generations do. [ .... ] > -- > John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F > http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).