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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com>
Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 23425@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote.
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 08:06:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160505080606.GA1950@acm.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2d1p1irtp.fsf@newartisans.com>

Hello, John.

On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 11:46:58AM -0700, John Wiegley wrote:

> Hi guys,

> I appreciate the passion on this issue; I had a feeling this would come up,
> and I think the reaction is going to be far more widespread than some expect.

> As maintainer, I'll go on record by saying that I very much dislike the new
> curly quotes logic. After the reactions I've read here, I'm convinced again
> that a customization option needs to exist in 25.1, so we can easily recommend
> it to people who react as Alan has done.

:-)

[ .... ]

> At this point, I cannot undo this feature [translation of single quotes
> in help messages and message format strings], since that would
> destabilize 25.1.  However, we must have an option to conveniently
> disable it before the release happens. Of that I am now certain. Would
> someone be willing to craft a patch, please?

I committed 32f5bf0c29bbad6524f71079e4380b8156289551 to master last night
just before I read your post.  It adds the value `leave' (as in "leave
alone and don't touch") to the set valid in `text-quoting-style'.  This
might be what you're looking for, or serve as the basis for it.
`text-quoting-style' so far remains a mere Lisp variable, not a
customisable option.

> Lastly, to play devil's advocate: I also recognize, after having written this,
> that I'm something of an "old fogey" in Emacs terms, with a special place for
> ASCII in my heart. It's quite possible that the new-and-coming generation is
> very fond of Unicode, and they will all love this feature, since it gives
> Emacs a more modern "feel". For their sake, I'm prepared to wait for the
> world's judgment before deciding that this feature is entirely terrible.

We old fogies need our tools just as much as the new generations do.

[ .... ]

> -- 
> John Wiegley                  GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F
> http://newartisans.com                          60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).





  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-05-05  8:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-05-02 14:55 bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-02 16:25 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-05-02 16:41   ` Drew Adams
2016-05-02 17:53 ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-02 19:10   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-03 15:17     ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-03 16:36       ` Drew Adams
2016-05-03 16:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-03 15:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-03 16:27       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-03 16:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-03 20:03           ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-03 20:49             ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-04 15:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 16:48               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-04 17:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 17:37                   ` Josh
2016-05-04 19:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 18:04                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-04 18:39                     ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-04 18:57                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-04 19:02                         ` John Wiegley
2016-05-04 21:34                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-04 21:50                         ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-04 23:49                       ` Paul Eggert
2016-05-05 15:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-10 14:41                           ` Paul Eggert
2017-05-31  1:07                             ` Glenn Morris
2017-05-31  1:42                               ` Paul Eggert
2017-05-31 21:24                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-05-31 23:26                                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-02 21:02                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-02 21:15                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-03 21:10                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]                                         ` <20170603211010.GD2130@acm.fritz.box>
2017-06-03 21:32                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-02 21:47                                       ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-03  0:13                                         ` Glenn Morris
2017-06-03 21:01                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-03 20:53                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]                                         ` <20170603205331.GA2130@acm.fritz.box>
2017-06-04 21:01                                           ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-05 16:27                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]                                             ` <20170605162737.GA30946@acm.fritz.box>
2017-06-05 18:19                                               ` Paul Eggert
     [not found]                                               ` <ac90b979-6a37-29c4-03b3-6322ac2cc11a@cs.ucla.edu>
2017-06-05 18:31                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-05 20:37                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]                                                 ` <20170605203753.GB30946@acm.fritz.box>
2017-06-05 21:05                                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-07 16:50                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 19:29                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-06  0:14                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-06  8:21                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
     [not found]                                                     ` <mvmtw3tsf05.fsf@suse.de>
2017-06-06 12:24                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
     [not found]                                                       ` <fa92f34f-982b-e9a5-be21-188e694e38d9@gmail.com>
2017-06-06 13:55                                                         ` Yuri Khan
     [not found]                                                         ` <CAP_d_8X7V_G4g7emn_EPd_YYPKu2HfnDE+Q3FOPMGXpB4sEYSw@mail.gmail.com>
2017-06-06 18:21                                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-06-06 18:59                                                             ` Yuri Khan
     [not found]                                                             ` <CAP_d_8X5OBsQQ=0+dj-qYFV3yEC4WZVMpyRw1KyiM0tvJUNFMw@mail.gmail.com>
2017-06-06 19:39                                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
     [not found]                                                               ` <10515b89-1c60-227e-ff3d-3127f59c0daf@gmail.com>
2017-06-07  4:57                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-06 23:09                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-07  7:44                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-07 18:17                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-08  8:04                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-07 13:27                                                         ` Drew Adams
2017-06-07 19:13                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 19:27                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
     [not found]                                                       ` <966db090-4aa1-231c-ef5a-370ece8905d1@gmail.com>
2017-06-07 19:33                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-07 19:51                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 20:33                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-07 23:28                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-08 17:34                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-08 20:17                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-09 19:41                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-09 20:17                                                               ` Drew Adams
2017-06-09 20:38                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-09 21:05                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2017-06-09 21:44                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-09 22:51                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-06-10  0:20                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2017-06-10 10:01                                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-10 10:52                                                                       ` David Engster
2017-06-10 11:48                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-10 13:01                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-10 13:39                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-11 10:03                                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-06-11 14:37                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-06-10 15:28                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-06-01 16:56                                   ` Glenn Morris
2017-06-03 21:07                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-05-04 18:46                     ` John Wiegley
2016-05-04 20:23                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-05-04 21:15                         ` John Wiegley
2016-05-04 22:19                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-05-05  7:12                             ` Andreas Schwab
2016-05-05 17:05                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-05  8:06                       ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2016-05-05 17:06                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-05 23:46                         ` John Wiegley
2016-05-06  8:54                         ` Nicolas Petton
2016-05-04 19:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-05-04 21:49               ` Andreas Schwab
2017-06-09 20:31 ` Glenn Morris
2017-06-10  7:08   ` Eli Zaretskii

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