From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23425: master branch: `message' wrongly corrupts ' to curly quote. Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:57:46 +0000 Message-ID: <20160504185746.GC31717@acm.fritz.box> References: <20160502191031.GB2048@acm.fritz.box> <83a8k7kv87.fsf@gnu.org> <20160503162716.GB11330@acm.fritz.box> <831t5jkrn2.fsf@gnu.org> <20160503200330.GC11330@acm.fritz.box> <83twidj0tj.fsf@gnu.org> <20160504164849.GA31717@acm.fritz.box> <83d1p1iwls.fsf@gnu.org> <20160504180417.GB31717@acm.fritz.box> <4019c1e5-36b4-745f-b299-16b074bff81e@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1462388322 22551 80.91.229.3 (4 May 2016 18:58:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23425@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 04 20:58:33 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ay20F-0001YN-TF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 20:58:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49736 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay20C-0007Ba-8q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:58:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50239) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay203-0006zJ-KN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:58:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1zr-00034k-UJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:58:14 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54105) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1zr-00033c-QT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:58:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1zm-00086Z-Dm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:58:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 18:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23425 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23425-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23425.146238827131135 (code B ref 23425); Wed, 04 May 2016 18:58:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23425) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2016 18:57:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38209 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1za-000867-SG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:57:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:63085) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ay1zZ-00085y-Cv for 23425@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 May 2016 14:57:49 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 43576 invoked by uid 3782); 4 May 2016 18:57:48 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p4FC46556.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [79.196.101.86]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Wed, 04 May 2016 20:57:47 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 32261 invoked by uid 1000); 4 May 2016 18:57:46 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4019c1e5-36b4-745f-b299-16b074bff81e@cs.ucla.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:117789 Archived-At: Hello, Paul. On Wed, May 04, 2016 at 11:39:08AM -0700, Paul Eggert wrote: > On 05/04/2016 11:04 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Despite the > > great opposition to it, Paul plowed ahead with several varied schemes for > > curly quotes, not waiting for consensus first, > This misrepresents what happened. You installed your contentious changes without prior discussion on emacs-devel. > I proposed a scheme, .... By which you mean you installed your changes on the master branch. > ... got feedback, altered the proposal in response to the feedback, > gained general (though not universal) agreement, .... It's a pity you didn't attempt to garner that agreement BEFORE installing your changes. That might have saved a lot of bad feeling. > and got an OK from the maintainer before committing the change. The > installed scheme differs quite a bit from my personal preference. Like > most compromises it's easy for each of us to find something we dislike > about it. You'll recall that at one point I installed a quick change to make the translation of quotes optional. Your reaction, the very next day, was to nullify my change, rendering your translations mandatory again. > I plan to look into the further change you proposed, with an eye toward > installing something like it (but I hope simpler) in the master branch. > It's a bit late to be fiddling with this sort of thing in the emacs-25 > branch, though. No, that won't do. By "something like it", you probably mean something that leaves the translation mandatory. Only a facility which allows total disablement will be adequate here. After discussion with Eli, I intend to apply the patch I proposed yesterday, and I'd be much obliged if this time you would allow its intention to survive. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).