From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21998: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? (Was: bug#21998: Run 'make change-history' on release branch) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 17:05:02 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20160306220502.GA23154__934.449132955883$1457302004$gmane$org@thyrsus.com> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457302004 13808 80.91.229.3 (6 Mar 2016 22:06:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2016 22:06:44 +0000 (UTC) To: Emacs developers , Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , 21998@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 06 23:06:35 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1acgos-00038N-QF for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 23:06:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52312 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acgos-0000h0-AP for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:06:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33263) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acgoO-0008QL-Sc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:06:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acgoM-0001pu-9n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:06:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:39948) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1acgoM-0001pY-7W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:06:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1acgoL-0002lN-RO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:06:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Eric S. Raymond" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2016 22:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21998 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21998-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21998.145730190410557 (code B ref 21998); Sun, 06 Mar 2016 22:06:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21998) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Mar 2016 22:05:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37075 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1acgnQ-0002kD-60 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:05:04 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5]:43282 helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1acgnO-0002k5-HC for 21998@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Mar 2016 17:05:03 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0BD5D13A0476; Sun, 6 Mar 2016 17:05:02 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:114516 Archived-At: --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John Wiegley : > On Sun, Mar 06 2016 13:07 (-0800), John Wiegley wrote: > >=20 > > I have always wanted to drop the ChangeLogs, so if the other developers= agree, > > I'm all for it. Keeping ChangeLog style in the commit entry is not terr= ibly > > useful either, since the diff output of log -p lets you know which func= tion or > > variable is being modified. I've never missed not having that ChangeLog= data > > in other projects, of any size. But that's up to the other developers a= nd what > > makes their lives easier. >=20 > I'd like to open this up to discussion on emacs-devel, so that we hear fr= om > our other developers. What do you all think about ChangeLogs, and their v= alue > to you in your work on Emacs? I advocated dropping ChangeLogs at the time I did the repository conversion. That is still my position. --=20 Eric S. 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