From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mark Oteiza Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough. 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[96.227.83.242]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r8sm14279399ywb.20.2016.02.06.06.36.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:36:58 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by holos.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B1CE5696E3; Sat, 6 Feb 2016 09:36:57 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160206112110.9815.qmail@mail.muc.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24+55 (e8f7a08cb7ac) (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112564 Archived-At: On 06/02/16 at 11:21am, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > In article you wrote: > > > Alan Mackenzie writes: > >>> No, it's a deliberate feature, AFAIU. > > >> You mean, there should no longer be a vanilla fundamental mode? I would > >> argue that no "helpful" electric modes should be enabled in FM. At the > >> moment, it appears, we are lacking a What-You-Do-Is-What-You-Get mode. > > >> I think electric-*-modes should be disabled in FM unless explicitly > >> enabled by the user in an FM buffer. We've become far too "clever" with > >> all these facilities. > > > electric-indent-mode is the only electric-*-mode on by default, and I > > never understood why it was enabled. Up until bracketed paste was > > implemented, this issue of indenting pastes had been an annoyance (only > > later on did I realize to disable this electric mode). > > What is "bracketed paste"? The term appears only in xterm.el, but that > file doesn't say what it is. It's in NEWS as well. Paraphrasing: it means Emacs understands a chunk of text that is "bracketed" (surrounded) by escape characters as a string to be inserted, instead of interpreting each character in the pasted text as actual user input.