From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough. Date: 6 Feb 2016 11:21:10 -0000 Organization: muc.de e.V. Message-ID: <20160206112110.9815.qmail@mail.muc.de> References: <20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454757746 4921 80.91.229.3 (6 Feb 2016 11:22:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 11:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22564@debbugs.gnu.org To: Mark Oteiza Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 06 12:22:13 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0wL-000273-Ry for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 12:22:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53097 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0wL-0001L3-1u for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:22:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58244) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0wH-0001KZ-7p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:22:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0wE-0001a3-0V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:22:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54805) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0wD-0001Zm-T9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:22:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0wD-00058I-MN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:22:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 11:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22564 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22564-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22564.145475767319668 (code B ref 22564); Sat, 06 Feb 2016 11:22:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22564) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2016 11:21:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35161 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0vQ-00057A-Ud for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:21:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:65273) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0vP-000572-81 for 22564@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:21:11 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 9816 invoked by uid 3782); 6 Feb 2016 11:21:10 -0000 In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug User-Agent: tin/2.3.1-20141224 ("Tallant") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/10.2-RELEASE-p9 (amd64)) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112561 Archived-At: Hello, Mark. In article you wrote: > Alan Mackenzie writes: >>> No, it's a deliberate feature, AFAIU. >> You mean, there should no longer be a vanilla fundamental mode? I would >> argue that no "helpful" electric modes should be enabled in FM. At the >> moment, it appears, we are lacking a What-You-Do-Is-What-You-Get mode. >> I think electric-*-modes should be disabled in FM unless explicitly >> enabled by the user in an FM buffer. We've become far too "clever" with >> all these facilities. > electric-indent-mode is the only electric-*-mode on by default, and I > never understood why it was enabled. Up until bracketed paste was > implemented, this issue of indenting pastes had been an annoyance (only > later on did I realize to disable this electric mode). What is "bracketed paste"? The term appears only in xterm.el, but that file doesn't say what it is. I still think it's a bug that a standard OS paste operation doesn't work out of the box in a non-specialised buffer. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).