From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough. Date: 6 Feb 2016 11:06:01 -0000 Organization: muc.de e.V. Message-ID: <20160206110601.6095.qmail@mail.muc.de> References: <20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454756840 23999 80.91.229.3 (6 Feb 2016 11:07:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 11:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22564@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 06 12:07:12 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0hr-0007Rv-5s for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 12:07:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52962 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0hq-0006Mr-0S for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:07:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55088) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0hm-0006MZ-A9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:07:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0hi-0006GO-A4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:07:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54801) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0hi-0006GK-6z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:07:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0hh-0004nA-Vt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:07:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 11:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22564 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22564-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22564.145475676418350 (code B ref 22564); Sat, 06 Feb 2016 11:07:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22564) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2016 11:06:04 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35157 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0gm-0004lt-KP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:06:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:10254) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aS0gk-0004la-IT for 22564@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Feb 2016 06:06:03 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 6096 invoked by uid 3782); 6 Feb 2016 11:06:01 -0000 In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug User-Agent: tin/2.3.1-20141224 ("Tallant") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/10.2-RELEASE-p9 (amd64)) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112560 Archived-At: In article you wrote: >> >> electric-indent-mode is the only electric-*-mode on by default, and I >> >> never understood why it was enabled. Up until bracketed paste was >> >> implemented, this issue of indenting pastes had been an annoyance (only >> >> later on did I realize to disable this electric mode). >> > >> > I agree. I disabled it as soon as I encountered it, but I disagree >> > that users should be subjected to it by default. Especially in >> > Fundamental mode. >> >> +1. Fundamental mode should be Notepad-like as much as possible IMHO. >> (Incidentally, I almost never use Fundamental mode, exactly because of >> that.) > Fundamental mode is not really supposed to be used by users > interactively, AFAIK. It should not even have the functionality > of Notepad. It is used as an empty inheritance point for other > modes. It is the "bottom" of modes. ;-) I think fundamental mode existed long before derived modes did. To say it shouldn't be used directly by users is a bit strange, IMAO. I use it fairly often, e.g. when I'm testing, and I want to clear out buffer local variables from some buffer, or to re-initialise font locking, or something like that. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).