From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22564: Fundamental mode isn't fundamental enough. Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:13:27 +0000 Message-ID: <20160205151327.GE7727@acm.fritz.box> References: <20160205125559.GC7727@acm.fritz.box> <834mdnusem.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454685159 22319 80.91.229.3 (5 Feb 2016 15:12:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22564@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 05 16:12:24 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aRi3Y-00088I-BX for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:12:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48840 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRi3S-0004El-9R for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:12:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49669) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRi3J-0004EM-Bz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:12:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRi3G-0006dA-66 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:12:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54170) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRi3G-0006d6-2X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:12:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRi3F-0004Y7-Sw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:12:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Alan Mackenzie Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22564 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22564-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22564.145468506917426 (code B ref 22564); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:12:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22564) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 15:11:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34526 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRi2P-0004X0-Ec for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:11:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.muc.de ([193.149.48.3]:50325) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRi2N-0004Wr-QF for 22564@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:11:08 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 42158 invoked by uid 3782); 5 Feb 2016 15:11:06 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p548A4CF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.138.76.248]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:11:05 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 9163 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Feb 2016 15:13:27 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <834mdnusem.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112492 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 04:46:09PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 12:55:59 +0000 > > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > > I've just tried to paste some text into a fundamental mode buffer, using > > GNU/Linux's GPM mouse utility. It gets fouled up by some facility that > > decides I want some automatic indentation, despite being in fundamental > > mode. As far as I understand, GPM does pasting by effectively typing a > > character at a time. > You want to turn off electric-indent-mode, I think. Sort of. But this is beyond the capabilities of a newby (discovering that, I mean). > > This is surely a bug. > No, it's a deliberate feature, AFAIU. You mean, there should no longer be a vanilla fundamental mode? I would argue that no "helpful" electric modes should be enabled in FM. At the moment, it appears, we are lacking a What-You-Do-Is-What-You-Get mode. I think electric-*-modes should be disabled in FM unless explicitly enabled by the user in an FM buffer. We've become far too "clever" with all these facilities. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).