From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: 20404@debbugs.gnu.org, Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org>
Subject: bug#20404: 25.0.50; Sometimes no fontification with jit-lock-defer-time
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:32:04 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150422193204.GC4120@acm.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvwq14f58b.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>
Hello, Stefan.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 01:37:13PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> [ OFFTOPIC: the bug report is not about performance but about
> a functional bug in jit-lock-defer. ]
> > There's a solution (or, depending on your point of view, a workaround)
> > for this. You're using Emacs-25, so set fast-but-imprecise-scrolling to
> > t, or customize it (it's in customisation group "scrolling").
> FWIW, on my machine, this doesn't make much difference: a single
> "font-lock one screen's worth" takes much too long, so after that one
> screen is displayed, Emacs takes a while catching up (with no display at
> all in the mean time).
How long is "too long"? Do you mean that, with
fast-but-imprecise-scrolling non-nil, jit-lock-defer-time nil, holding
down C-v, that there is no redisplay for several seconds? That would
be suggesting that the time to scroll one screen (without fontification)
is longer than your auto-repeat interval, which sounds implausible.
> That's why after you installed your change, I installed the one I had
> suggested (which tweaks the decision about when to skip redisplay and
> when to defer font-lock and relies on using jit-lock-defer-time).
> In my tests, it worked significantly better (was able to keep up).
> So I recommend you try jit-lock-defer-time set to 0 instead of using
> fast-but-imprecise-scrolling, and see if you like the
> resulting behavior.
No, I don't. ;-) What I see is somewhat jerky scrolling, mainly
unfontified, but with some fontification flashing on each screen some
short time (?10-100 milliseconds) before the next scroll.
What I see with fast-but-imprecise-scrolling is somewhat jerky scrolling,
but each displayed screen being fully fontified. The delay between
drawing the screens is never more than about half a second, mostly less
than that, and the delay between releasing C-v and the screen stabilising
is likewise no more than half a second.
Also, when I attempt to disable jit-lock-defer-time (through the
customisation interface) the jit-lock-defer-timer keeps running, and the
"defer" mechanism keeps running with it. This seems worth a bug report
in its own right.
> IIUC if Emacs can *almost* keep up, then fast-but-imprecise-scrolling
> might be just enough to let it keep up, in which case the behavior may
> look be better than with jit-lock-defer-time (because the text is never
> displayed unfontified). But if the repeat rate is faster than that, then
> jit-lock-defer-time should give noticeably better results.
I don't understand how what you're seeing is so bad. I thought you had a
powerful workstation, a class above a typical PC, and that you had your
auto-repeat rate at a conservative figure (25 or 30 per second) rather
than the insane rate (~40 per second) I have. I have a 5 year old
machine, not a blazingly fast super-modern one, and my window is 64 lines
deep.
fast-but-imprecise-scrolling doesn't require Emacs almost to keep up. It
merely prevents a redisplay being directly triggered by the auto-repeated
scrolling, instead allowing a redisplay only when there is no input
waiting. On my machine, the scrolling easily keeps up with the ~25ms
auto-repeat time.
> Stefan
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-22 19:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-22 9:45 bug#20404: 25.0.50; Sometimes no fontification with jit-lock-defer-time Tassilo Horn
2015-04-22 10:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-22 20:32 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-04-22 21:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 5:59 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-04-23 6:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 8:36 ` Tassilo Horn
[not found] ` <mailman.1344.1429696032.904.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-22 16:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-04-22 17:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-22 19:32 ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2015-04-22 20:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-22 20:10 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-04-22 21:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 4:15 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-04-23 6:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 13:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-23 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 16:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-23 17:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 17:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-23 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-24 9:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-24 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-24 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-24 18:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-23 19:53 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-04-23 17:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 19:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-23 19:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 19:56 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-04-23 7:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 8:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 9:04 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-04-23 9:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 13:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-10-31 14:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-10-31 14:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 8:38 ` Tassilo Horn
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