From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Wordingham Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20140: 24.4; M17n shaper output rejected Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:45:07 +0000 Message-ID: <20150325214507.3dd335de@JRWUBU2> References: <20150321175818.1b125eba@JRWUBU2> <87mw31887h.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1427319993 11506 80.91.229.3 (25 Mar 2015 21:46:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:46:33 +0000 (UTC) To: 20140@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 25 22:46:18 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yat7x-0003XV-3d for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 22:46:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41485 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yat7w-0006tQ-Kk for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:46:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59643) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yat7n-0006iI-U3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:46:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yat7j-0004QG-HN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:46:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:46890) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yat7j-0004Q5-E8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:46:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yat7j-0002Kc-6P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:46:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Wordingham Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:46:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20140 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20140-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20140.14273199188888 (code B ref 20140); Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:46:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20140) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Mar 2015 21:45:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36664 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yat6z-0002JF-DC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:45:18 -0400 Original-Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-9.server.virginmedia.net ([80.0.253.73]:56507) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Yat6x-0002Io-Bl for 20140@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:45:16 -0400 Original-Received: from JRWUBU2 ([81.103.224.4]) by know-smtprelay-9-imp with bizsmtp id 7xl91q00n06JmVd01xl9he; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:45:09 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [81.103.224.4] X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=dJgomYpb c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=pLuj3OkTrmEUIJBpyvkqVg==:117 a=pLuj3OkTrmEUIJBpyvkqVg==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=LsZXWq4u80ueHZGQUpMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 In-Reply-To: <87mw31887h.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.0 (GTK+ 2.24.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:100933 Archived-At: On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 23:25:54 +0900 handa@gnu.org (K. Handa) wrote: > Hi, thank you for the detailed explanation. > > In article <20150321175818.1b125eba@JRWUBU2>, Richard Wordingham > writes: > > > What I ought to want is SIL's split cursor scheme, which indicated > > the next ('point') and previous characters, even in bidirectional > > text. Unfortunately, that's not compatible with m17n, which seems > > to assume that cursor position will be a single number. > > The Emacs > > functions forward-char-intrusive and backward-char-intrusive > > provided a pleasant, more intuitive, alternative, and I am sad to > > hear they are gone. Perhaps I'll have to start using > > toggle-auto-composition. > > Those Emacs functions are just my idea for improving Emacs > for CTL users, and have never been included in the official > Emacs verison. I think I must have confused them with the behaviour of Emacs 22.1 on Windows XP. I didn't do anything to enable the visual decomposition of the clusters - it just happened when moving with the arrow keys. Indeed, it is conceivable that the characters weren't decomposed, but were simply being rendered by Windows without any need for composition. I haven't had time to try out the experimental code yet. Richard.