From: Ilya Zakharevich <ilya@math.berkeley.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 19993@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#19993: 25.0.50; Unicode fonts defective on Windows
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 09:20:17 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150308162017.GC5456@math.berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83ioeblc7f.fsf@gnu.org>
On Sun, Mar 08, 2015 at 05:51:16PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > What is actually supported:
> >
> > 0400 - 04FF Everything but 04d8,04d9 (Schwa, used in Cyrillic Azeri — but
> > contemporary Azeri is written in Latin)
> > 0500 - 052F Only 0500 - 0513, 051a - 051d supported
> > 2DE0 - 2DFF None supported (5.1)
> > A640 - A69F None supported (5.1 and later)
>
> FWIW, on one system I use frequently (a pretty standard Windows 7
> machine), the last two blocks are not supported by any font. Likewise
> on another system, an XP with a lot of additional fonts installed.
> But if I install GNU Unifont, then Emacs does use it for these blocks.
> So somehow we do TRT in some situations. Maybe these subranges are
> just a filter?
BTW, using Unifont from unifondry is asking for trouble. And here I
do not mean just your eyes (it may be good at 16pt), but the fact that
it won’t interact with any other font — it claims glyphs for all the
characters in all the ranges — even if it does not know the correct glyph.
My build (“Unifont Smooth” on ilyaz.org/fonts) is properly behaving
(at least in this regard) — and is much better for eyes in all the
resolutions.
> > Does it look like a good indication of anything? I would say no… Do
> > you know any other tool looking at this bitmap for choosing which font
> > to pick up for a particular character?
>
> I guess by "tool" you mean a technique or algorithm that uses the font
> data for selecting the appropriate font? If so, no, I know very
> little in this area, on Windows or elsewhere. Enumerating all the
> glyphs would work, but is probably prohibitively expensive.
Enumerating all the glyphs is exactly how all the tools I know
work — at least those which can show all the characters which can be
shown on a system.
And so far, on Windows I found one such tool (of those not using
fontconfig, like mplayer):
firefox with user’s customizations from
http://search.cpan.org/~ilyaz/UI-KeyboardLayout/lib/UI/KeyboardLayout.pm#There_is_no_way_to_show_Unicode_contents_on_Windows
(Currently, these instructions are not reflecting the fact that
Unifont Smooth became well-behaving, so may be used as a
substitution font too.)
Ilya
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Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-03-03 22:02 bug#19993: 25.0.50; Unicode fonts defective on Windows Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-04 17:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-05 21:49 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-05 22:05 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-06 10:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 11:38 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-06 14:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 16:21 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-06 20:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 21:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 22:13 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-07 8:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 7:45 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-08 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 8:38 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-08 8:46 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-10 16:29 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-10 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-10 17:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-10 20:32 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-11 4:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-11 19:49 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-11 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-12 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-13 1:52 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-13 7:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-13 4:50 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-13 6:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-06 22:08 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-07 8:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 7:41 ` Ilya Zakharevich
2015-03-08 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-03-08 16:20 ` Ilya Zakharevich [this message]
2015-03-08 17:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
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