From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Werner LEMBERG Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19479: Copyright issue Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 07:33:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <20150111.073300.172574682.wl@gnu.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1420958059 27529 80.91.229.3 (11 Jan 2015 06:34:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 06:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19479@debbugs.gnu.org, assign@gnu.org To: kelly@prtime.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 11 07:34:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YAC6F-0003vW-3R for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 07:34:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57538 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YAC6E-00044C-81 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 01:34:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54528) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YAC69-00043u-UM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 01:34:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YAC66-0006iP-6C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 01:34:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:32982) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YAC66-0006iL-2N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 01:34:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YAC65-0005uJ-Lp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 01:34:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Werner LEMBERG Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 06:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19479 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: security Original-Received: via spool by 19479-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19479.142095800022618 (code B ref 19479); Sun, 11 Jan 2015 06:34:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19479) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2015 06:33:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42347 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YAC5Q-0005sk-6r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 01:33:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:55188) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YAC5O-0005sa-3h for 19479@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 01:33:18 -0500 Original-Received: from gnu.org ([178.165.129.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M6BKc-1Xq1qG2h58-00y8ep; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 07:33:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mew version 6.5 on Emacs 25.0.50.1 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:8YhvHJNos+3i1RCJQXUjRk4g8Z76mx7ecufYgRHcPIb6Ixo5CET 5YbGS/sFtiaJLebAdjIkFffBykM2yxCgPCcPWBMKFe5Sng9FMWtRcqOeauOUFW0rhwSfvMX F3FUwVTP2Bvo+h0LpOU7C6t2P6K7JsrZhZlfBl12PkAFAgEMjtwH4U6JqoHV/2TRHBLmSAj 4PTbTaIrfs1xwCNXcgusQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:98219 Archived-At: >> No, the assignment document is just for the Emacs code you wrote >> and whose copyright you own. It simply doesn't apply to the code >> whose copyright you don't own (which normally only happens when the >> copyright is owned by your employer). > > I don't have a copy of it handy, but if that's the way it's worded, > then you're right, it wouldn't be illegal for me to sign it. It > would only be immoral. It would be legally vacuous, and deceptive, > leading to doubt about my intent. Perhaps slightly off-topic, but quite relevant IMHO in a global perspective: It is *not* possible to create not-copyrighted code in some jurisdictions like Germany. Whatever you write, it is by default copyrighted by you (regardless whether there is a `public domain' line or not), and you have to explicitly disclaim or reassign the copyright. For this reason, it is *much* better to use a license like CC0 instead of a public domain notice, since this covers the `public domain' idea in virtually all countries. Actually, this is what the FSF recommends (https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#CC0), and I guess this works for emacs also, since it works already for GNU (according to https://gcc.gnu.org/contribute.html#legal). Werner