* bug#19272: 25.0.50; electric-indent-mode: Appears to do the opposite
@ 2014-12-04 17:34 raman
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From: raman @ 2014-12-04 17:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 19272
In both Emacs 24.4 -- as well as Emacs 25 built from head:
In lisp buffers electric-indent-mode is on by default.
But if it is on, then hitting C-j does not indent -- it ends up leaving
point on the first column in the newly inserted line.
I do have 10 in the list electric-indent-chars.
Even stranger, turning off electric-indent-mode results in the behavior
I want, ie C-j inserts a newline then inserts.
In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw scroll bars)
of 2014-12-02 on raman-glaptop
Repository revision: cb2257edc4a4b74ce9b566edc2d15a54e1ce2f22
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* bug#19272: 25.0.50; electric-indent-mode: Appears to do the opposite
[not found] ` <mailman.15269.1417714586.1147.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
@ 2014-12-04 22:11 ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-12-04 22:54 ` T.V Raman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Alan Mackenzie @ 2014-12-04 22:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: raman; +Cc: 19272
In article <mailman.15269.1417714586.1147.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> you wrote:
> In both Emacs 24.4 -- as well as Emacs 25 built from head:
> In lisp buffers electric-indent-mode is on by default.
electric-indent-mode is now enabled everywhere, by default.
> But if it is on, then hitting C-j does not indent -- it ends up leaving
> point on the first column in the newly inserted line.
This is deliberate - the swapping of the actions of C-j and RET. Most
people on the developers' mailing list agreed it was time to do this, for
the benefit of new users who expect auto indentation of the new line, but
who aren't used to typing C-j for it.
However, this change in key actions has been conflated with
electric-indent-mode. En/dis-able that minor mode, and the action of your
keys is swapped.
> I do have 10 in the list electric-indent-chars.
10 is <LF>, aka C-j. When you type a character which is in
electric-indent-chars, that causes electric indentation of the current
line (not the new one you may create). I think that 10 causes
indentation of that line regardless of whether you type C-j or RET.
> Even stranger, turning off electric-indent-mode results in the behavior
> I want, ie C-j inserts a newline then inserts.
This is indeed strange, but is deliberate. The two behaviours
(electric-indent-mode and the transpositions of the key actions) were
linked together "for simplicity". If you want to have
electric-indent-mode enabled at the same time as having C-j and RET
behave traditionally, you're going to have to swap the key bindings or
start hacking the Emacs lisp code.
This situation is a big part of why I personally haven't upgraded to
Emacs 24.4.
> In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw scroll bars)
> of 2014-12-02 on raman-glaptop
> Repository revision: cb2257edc4a4b74ce9b566edc2d15a54e1ce2f22
> System Description: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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* bug#19272: 25.0.50; electric-indent-mode: Appears to do the opposite
2014-12-04 22:11 ` Alan Mackenzie
@ 2014-12-04 22:54 ` T.V Raman
2014-12-05 15:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: T.V Raman @ 2014-12-04 22:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: acm; +Cc: 19272, raman
Thanks for the explanation -- this is super helpful.
One suggestion: couldn't we just have both C-j and RET do newline-and-then-indent?
Alan Mackenzie writes:
> In article <mailman.15269.1417714586.1147.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> you wrote:
>
> > In both Emacs 24.4 -- as well as Emacs 25 built from head:
>
> > In lisp buffers electric-indent-mode is on by default.
>
> electric-indent-mode is now enabled everywhere, by default.
>
> > But if it is on, then hitting C-j does not indent -- it ends up leaving
> > point on the first column in the newly inserted line.
>
> This is deliberate - the swapping of the actions of C-j and RET. Most
> people on the developers' mailing list agreed it was time to do this, for
> the benefit of new users who expect auto indentation of the new line, but
> who aren't used to typing C-j for it.
>
> However, this change in key actions has been conflated with
> electric-indent-mode. En/dis-able that minor mode, and the action of your
> keys is swapped.
>
> > I do have 10 in the list electric-indent-chars.
>
> 10 is <LF>, aka C-j. When you type a character which is in
> electric-indent-chars, that causes electric indentation of the current
> line (not the new one you may create). I think that 10 causes
> indentation of that line regardless of whether you type C-j or RET.
>
> > Even stranger, turning off electric-indent-mode results in the behavior
> > I want, ie C-j inserts a newline then inserts.
>
> This is indeed strange, but is deliberate. The two behaviours
> (electric-indent-mode and the transpositions of the key actions) were
> linked together "for simplicity". If you want to have
> electric-indent-mode enabled at the same time as having C-j and RET
> behave traditionally, you're going to have to swap the key bindings or
> start hacking the Emacs lisp code.
>
> This situation is a big part of why I personally haven't upgraded to
> Emacs 24.4.
>
> > In GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw scroll bars)
> > of 2014-12-02 on raman-glaptop
> > Repository revision: cb2257edc4a4b74ce9b566edc2d15a54e1ce2f22
> > System Description: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
>
> --
> Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* bug#19272: 25.0.50; electric-indent-mode: Appears to do the opposite
2014-12-04 22:54 ` T.V Raman
@ 2014-12-05 15:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-12-05 17:44 ` T.V Raman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Alan Mackenzie @ 2014-12-05 15:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: T.V Raman; +Cc: 19272
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 02:54:44PM -0800, T.V Raman wrote:
> Thanks for the explanation -- this is super helpful.
> One suggestion: couldn't we just have both C-j and RET do
> newline-and-then-indent?
AAAaarrgh!!! Not as default, no. People sometimes want to type in just
a newline from time to time.
Still, you are master of your own key map, and nothing stops you binding
C-j and RET appropriately.
--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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* bug#19272: 25.0.50; electric-indent-mode: Appears to do the opposite
2014-12-05 15:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
@ 2014-12-05 17:44 ` T.V Raman
0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: T.V Raman @ 2014-12-05 17:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: acm; +Cc: 19272, raman
Already done:-)
Alan Mackenzie writes:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 02:54:44PM -0800, T.V Raman wrote:
> > Thanks for the explanation -- this is super helpful.
>
> > One suggestion: couldn't we just have both C-j and RET do
> > newline-and-then-indent?
>
> AAAaarrgh!!! Not as default, no. People sometimes want to type in just
> a newline from time to time.
>
> Still, you are master of your own key map, and nothing stops you binding
> C-j and RET appropriately.
>
> --
> Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
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