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[90.177.119.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m13sm9982229wbh.0.2011.12.08.11.59.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Dec 2011 11:59:59 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83wra6am86.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:01:01 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:54824 Archived-At: On Thu, Dec 08, 2011 at 09:37:29PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Štěpán Němec > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 2975@debbugs.gnu.org, Karl Berry > > > > Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:06:45 +0100 > > > > (Personally I found Eli's explanation confusing -- what does > > "on-line" > > mean here? If it means HTML, makeinfo does support HTML output -- > > does > > it mean it doesn't cope with missing node pointers in the HTML case? > > "On-line" means all on-line formats, including HTML. > > What do you mean by "it doesn't cope" -- who or what is "it" here? makeinfo > makeinfo does not need these pointers in the Texinfo sources to > produce them in any of its outputs that are meant for on-line > browsing. That includes HTML (and Info, of course). Thank you for the clarification. Wouldn't it be even clearer (and simpler) to say that makeinfo just never needs those pointers? You wrote: TeX doesn't need them. These pointers are there to allow traversing the on-line manual, and are not needed for non on-line versions. So, given that makeinfo can add the info itself when needed, is there really ever any need for listing the node pointers explicitly at all? -- Štěpán