From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrew Kurn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10072: 23.3; invisible text Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 03:12:27 -0800 Message-ID: <20111121111227.GA11214@sfu.ca> References: <20111118191436.GA21091@sfu.ca> <20111120102459.GB12774@sfu.ca> <20111121000321.GA19808@sfu.ca> <5376D105CD20484990AAB55C158138B0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1321873978 30485 80.91.229.12 (21 Nov 2011 11:12:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 10072@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 21 12:12:53 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSRnx-0005y7-L9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:12:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47253 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RSRnx-0008RA-3Z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:12:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:60825) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RSRnt-0008Qw-Og for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:12:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RSRns-00064h-Ob for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:12:49 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58647) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RSRns-00064Z-LI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:12:48 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSRp3-0000rP-PZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:14:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Andrew Kurn Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:14:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10072 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 10072-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10072.13218740263280 (code B ref 10072); Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:14:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10072) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Nov 2011 11:13:46 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSRoo-0000qq-5A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:13:46 -0500 Original-Received: from pobox.sfu.ca ([142.58.101.28]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RSRol-0000qi-H0 for 10072@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:13:44 -0500 Original-Received: from fraser.sfu.ca (fraser.sfu.ca [142.58.101.25]) by pobox.sfu.ca (8.13.6/8.13.5/SFU-6.0G) with ESMTP id pALBCSD1012232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 21 Nov 2011 03:12:28 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: (from kurn@localhost) by fraser.sfu.ca (8.13.8+Sun/8.14.3/SFU-6.0C) id pALBCRZd007236; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 03:12:27 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5376D105CD20484990AAB55C158138B0@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:14:01 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:54118 Archived-At: On Sun 20 Nov 2011 16:27 -0800, Drew Adams wrote: > > > > Fundamentally it's a bug, and I generally don't like to > > > document bugs. > > > > On this point I disagree with you very strongly. It's much /more/ > > important to document bugs than any other aspect of the code. I have > > told several students this from time to time, and, like you, they > > tend to resist the idea. > > > > I gather that there is no great push on to remedy this behavior, > > so this bug may hang around for some time . . . > > FWIW - Bugs, other known problems, and workarounds are typically *not* > documented as part of the technical doc itself. One reason for this is that the > doc is meant to describe what the product does, or rather, what it should do, > what it is supposed to do. In a way, the doc is like a spec that the product is > meant to reflect. > Ah, another voice, and also an intelligent one. It's gratifying to meet the interesting community of Emacs-developers. I do so much of my coding on my own . . . Anyhow, I'd say I'm still in disagreement about this with you. However, I'm pleased with the way the proposed wording is written (as you'll see in the next message), so I'd say the issue is resolved. Andrew