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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 The integrated help in emacs is a great tool for beginners to learn emacs, = and=20 C-h d, C-h k, C-h m and C-h t are extremely useful.=20 Sadly the sheer number of help options made it extremely hard for me in the= =20 beginning to find out what help I really needed. Most times is was simply C= =2Dh d=20 or C-h k.=20 So I=E2=80=99d suggest to seperate the help options into two parts: =E2=80= =9Cneeded often by=20 most people=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cneeded only in very specific situations= =E2=80=9D.=20 Then just put the first at the beginning of the help output (common help=20 options) and in a next paragraph add the rest (advanced help options).=20 That should make it far easier for beginners to find the help topic they ne= ed=20 (and I can safely tell people =E2=80=9Cif you need help, just type C-h C-h= =E2=80=9D).=20 Best wishes,=20 and many thanks for emacs! =E2=80=94 Arne In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2010-05-14 on fluss Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10706000 configured using `configure '--prefix=3D/usr' '--build=3Dx86_64-pc-linux-g= nu' '-- host=3Dx86_64-pc-linux-gnu' '--mandir=3D/usr/share/man' '-- infodir=3D/usr/share/info' '--datadir=3D/usr/share' '--sysconfdir=3D/etc' '= =2D- localstatedir=3D/var/lib' '--libdir=3D/usr/lib64' '--program-suffix=3D-emac= s-23' '-- infodir=3D/usr/share/info/emacs-23' '--with-crt-dir=3D/usr/lib64' '--with-s= ound'=20 '--with-x' '--without-gconf' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--with-gif' '-- with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--with-tiff' '--with-xpm' '--with-xf= t'=20 '--with-libotf' '--with-m17n-flt' '--with-x-toolkit=3Dathena' '--without-he= siod'=20 '--without-kerberos' '--without-kerberos5' '--with-gpm' '--with-dbus'=20 'build_alias=3Dx86_64-pc-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=3Dx86_64-pc-linux-gnu' 'CFL= AGS=3D- march=3Dk8 -O2 -pipe' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-O1'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: C value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t real-global-auto-complete-mode: t global-auto-complete-mode: t auto-complete-mode: t show-paren-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t global-visual-line-mode: t visual-line-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-c M-! h g SPC p u s =20 C-x 1 C-x # M-x a =20 p a g e - m e o =20 C-g C-g C-x C-f =20 a c p a a c=20 t i l v a t i e - p a g e -=20 m o d e . e l M-x e s c =20 h e l l c d SPC =20 C-x k M-x c d SPC . . =20 c d SPC l i g i t SPC c l o n e SPC=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 C-x b C-x b C-d C-d C-d=20 C-x k C-x k C-x b n a C-x=20 k C-x k * w C-x k O C-g C-g C-x #=20 C-x C-c M-x r e p o r =20 b C - h SPC u n u s =20 i n w c o m p e=20 h=20 SPC C - C-x o C-h C-h C-g C-x h=20 C-h h C-r C-r g C-g C-g C-x=20 k M-x r e p o t =20 r b Recent messages: Quit [2 times] No server buffers remain to edit (No files need saving) When done with this frame, type C-x 5 0 Making completion list... [2 times] Note: file is write protected View mode: type C-h for help, h for commands, q to quit. Quit [2 times] byte-code: Command attempted to use minibuffer while in minibuffer Making completion list... 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