* bug#5187: 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month @ 2009-12-12 4:09 Joseph Brenner 2009-12-13 13:17 ` Jan Djärv 2009-12-14 8:45 ` bug#5187: marked as done (23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month) Emacs bug Tracking System 0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Joseph Brenner @ 2009-12-12 4:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-pretest-bug Recently, emacs seemed to have been using some nicer looking fonts by default, for example in the cvs build as of nov 18, 2009: http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_111809_emacs_build.jpg The 23.1.90 pretest and the latest cvs build (dec 11, 2009) have much weaker default fonts: http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/emacs-23.1.90-fonts.jpg http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_121109_emacs_build.jpg In GNU Emacs 23.1.90.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.1) of 2009-12-11 on fineline Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10600000 configured using `configure '--prefix' '/usr/local/emacs/cvs-121109'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Shell Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t display-time-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-n C-n M-f C-f n o SPC l o n g e r SPC w o r k s , SPC <backspace> <backspace> SPC i n SPC t h e SPC M-d M-d M-d M-d C-d M-f M-f M-f SPC o f C-f C-d C-e <backspace> <backspace> SPC ( t h o u g h SPC i t SPC w a s SPC d e f i n i t e l y SPC w o r k i n g SPC w i t h SPC a SPC <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> a s SPC o f SPC n o v SPC 1 8 . 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* bug#5187: 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month 2009-12-12 4:09 bug#5187: 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month Joseph Brenner @ 2009-12-13 13:17 ` Jan Djärv 2009-12-13 21:20 ` Joe Brenner 2009-12-14 8:45 ` bug#5187: marked as done (23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month) Emacs bug Tracking System 1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Jan Djärv @ 2009-12-13 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joseph Brenner, 5187; +Cc: emacs-pretest-bug Joseph Brenner skrev: > Recently, emacs seemed to have been using some nicer looking > fonts by default, for example in the cvs build as of nov 18, 2009: > > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_111809_emacs_build.jpg > > The 23.1.90 pretest and the latest cvs build (dec 11, 2009) have > much weaker default fonts: > > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/emacs-23.1.90-fonts.jpg > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_121109_emacs_build.jpg > What environment are you using (KDE, Gnome, Xfce, other)? Does other Gnome applications have fonts as your Emacs had in nov 18? What does % xrdb -query|grep Xft give? Does % emacs -fn 'Monospace-10:hintstyle=3' give the results you want? Jan D. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* bug#5187: 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month 2009-12-13 13:17 ` Jan Djärv @ 2009-12-13 21:20 ` Joe Brenner 2009-12-14 8:40 ` Jan Djärv 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Joe Brenner @ 2009-12-13 21:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Djärv; +Cc: 5187, emacs-pretest-bug =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrote: > Joseph Brenner skrev: > > Recently, emacs seemed to have been using some nicer looking > > fonts by default, for example in the cvs build as of nov 18, 2009: > > > > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_111809_emacs_build.jpg > > > > The 23.1.90 pretest and the latest cvs build (dec 11, 2009) have > > much weaker default fonts: > > > > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/emacs-23.1.90-fonts.jpg > > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_121109_emacs_build.jpg > What environment are you using (KDE, Gnome, Xfce, other)? I'm using the icewm window manager on what is technically a "kubuntu" installation (jaunty). > Does other Gnome applications have fonts as your Emacs had in nov 18? I should explain that I'm comparing different builds on the same machine at the same time -- Gnome/KDE/etc are identical in both cases. > What does > % xrdb -query|grep Xft > give? Nothing. Withouth the grep filter: xrdb -query *customization: -color > Does > % emacs -fn 'Monospace-10:hintstyle=3' > give the results you want? No, I don't see any change with that. But actually, I think I should apologize for giving you an unclear bug report. I was complaining about the new fonts not being "as nice", but now that I look at it more closely, really the only difference is the fonts with the latest emacs are smaller by default. In this screen shot, the emacs on the right looks the same as the one in the upper left, but it's the same version as the ones on the lower left, I've just manually scaled up the font a notch with "C-x C-+": http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/emacs-23.1.90-default-font-size.jpg So the "bug" here is that the default font size for 23.1.90 is smaller than for 23.1.50. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* bug#5187: 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month 2009-12-13 21:20 ` Joe Brenner @ 2009-12-14 8:40 ` Jan Djärv 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Jan Djärv @ 2009-12-14 8:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Joe Brenner; +Cc: 5187, 5187-done, emacs-pretest-bug Joe Brenner skrev: > But actually, I think I should apologize for giving you an unclear bug > report. I was complaining about the new fonts not being "as nice", > but now that I look at it more closely, really the only difference is > the fonts with the latest emacs are smaller by default. In this screen > shot, the emacs on the right looks the same as the one in the upper left, > but it's the same version as the ones on the lower left, I've just > manually scaled up the font a notch with "C-x C-+": > > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/emacs-23.1.90-default-font-size.jpg > > So the "bug" here is that the default font size for 23.1.90 is > smaller than for 23.1.50. Ah, then it is just the case of differing DPI:s. Emacs now uses the DPI set by the system as indicated by xsettings (http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html). We do that so Emacs looks like other applications for the same font. Note that the text in the menus are the same in both your cases (large and small Emacs font). This is because Gtk uses the system DPI setting for both your Emacses. If you wan't the old size, either customize Emacs with that font (I guess monospace-11, but you have to try) or adjust the systems notion of DPI (in system settings, appearence somewhere). Note if you do the latter, the font size in the menu will change. So there is no bug here. Well, the bug can be said to be that the older Emacs picked the larger font. Jan D. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* bug#5187: marked as done (23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month) 2009-12-12 4:09 bug#5187: 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month Joseph Brenner 2009-12-13 13:17 ` Jan Djärv @ 2009-12-14 8:45 ` Emacs bug Tracking System 1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Emacs bug Tracking System @ 2009-12-14 8:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan Djärv [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 907 bytes --] Your message dated Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:40:20 +0100 with message-id <4B25F9F4.609@swipnet.se> and subject line Re: bug#5187: 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month has caused the Emacs bug report #5187, regarding 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith. 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Please contact owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com immediately.) -- 5187: http://emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=5187 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com with problems [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 15553 bytes --] From: Joseph Brenner <doom@kzsu.stanford.edu> To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:09:02 -0800 Message-ID: <874onw6dgh.fsf@kzsu.stanford.edu> Recently, emacs seemed to have been using some nicer looking fonts by default, for example in the cvs build as of nov 18, 2009: http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_111809_emacs_build.jpg The 23.1.90 pretest and the latest cvs build (dec 11, 2009) have much weaker default fonts: http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/emacs-23.1.90-fonts.jpg http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_121109_emacs_build.jpg In GNU Emacs 23.1.90.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.1) of 2009-12-11 on fineline Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10600000 configured using `configure '--prefix' '/usr/local/emacs/cvs-121109'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Shell Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t display-time-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-n C-n M-f C-f n o SPC l o n g e r SPC w o r k s , SPC <backspace> <backspace> SPC i n SPC t h e SPC M-d M-d M-d M-d C-d M-f M-f M-f SPC o f C-f C-d C-e <backspace> <backspace> SPC ( t h o u g h SPC i t SPC w a s SPC d e f i n i t e l y SPC w o r k i n g SPC w i t h SPC a SPC <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> a s SPC o f SPC n o v SPC 1 8 . 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<jan.h.d@swipnet.se> To: Joe Brenner <doom@kzsu.stanford.edu> Cc: 5187@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, 5187-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: Re: bug#5187: 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:40:20 +0100 Message-ID: <4B25F9F4.609@swipnet.se> Joe Brenner skrev: > But actually, I think I should apologize for giving you an unclear bug > report. I was complaining about the new fonts not being "as nice", > but now that I look at it more closely, really the only difference is > the fonts with the latest emacs are smaller by default. In this screen > shot, the emacs on the right looks the same as the one in the upper left, > but it's the same version as the ones on the lower left, I've just > manually scaled up the font a notch with "C-x C-+": > > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/emacs-23.1.90-default-font-size.jpg > > So the "bug" here is that the default font size for 23.1.90 is > smaller than for 23.1.50. Ah, then it is just the case of differing DPI:s. Emacs now uses the DPI set by the system as indicated by xsettings (http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html). We do that so Emacs looks like other applications for the same font. Note that the text in the menus are the same in both your cases (large and small Emacs font). This is because Gtk uses the system DPI setting for both your Emacses. If you wan't the old size, either customize Emacs with that font (I guess monospace-11, but you have to try) or adjust the systems notion of DPI (in system settings, appearence somewhere). Note if you do the latter, the font size in the menu will change. So there is no bug here. Well, the bug can be said to be that the older Emacs picked the larger font. Jan D. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2009-12-14 8:45 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 5+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2009-12-12 4:09 bug#5187: 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month Joseph Brenner 2009-12-13 13:17 ` Jan Djärv 2009-12-13 21:20 ` Joe Brenner 2009-12-14 8:40 ` Jan Djärv 2009-12-14 8:45 ` bug#5187: marked as done (23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month) Emacs bug Tracking System
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