From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1988: Making the license statement visible in the Emacs Manual Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:38:18 -0600 Message-ID: <200901282338.n0SNcI905573@f7.net> References: Reply-To: Karl Berry , 1988@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1233187442 6817 80.91.229.12 (29 Jan 2009 00:04:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jessw@netwood.net, 1988@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, rms@gnu.org To: eliz@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 29 01:05:08 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LSKOx-0007QR-0O for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 01:04:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50661 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LSKNe-0004ub-Jr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:03:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LSKNa-0004tp-KX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:03:34 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LSKNY-0004sE-Ks for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:03:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=59146 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LSKNY-0004sB-EQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:03:32 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:58056) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LSKNX-0008GG-R1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:03:32 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0T03U4X026716; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:03:30 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id n0SNj3jJ022096; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:45:03 -0800 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: karl@freefriends.org (Karl Berry) Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:45:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1988 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,documentation X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1988-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1988.123318591220832 (code B ref 1988); Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:45:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1988) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 28 Jan 2009 23:38:32 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. Original-Received: from f7.net (server1.f7.net [64.34.169.74]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n0SNcO54020826 for <1988@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:38:25 -0800 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org X-Envelope-To: 1988@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Original-Received: (from karl@localhost) by f7.net (8.11.7-20030920/8.11.7) id n0SNcI905573; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:38:18 -0600 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:03:33 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:24695 Archived-At: eliz> The Texinfo manual _does_ give clear and specific advice about this: Yeah. Here is the message I sent to rms, Stefan, and Chong a few days ago when rms first pinged me about this. jessw@netwood.net> Currently, in the displayed HTML of the Emacs jessw@netwood.net> Manual, there is nothing the specifically says it jessw@netwood.net> is released under the GFDL rms [to karl]> Can you fix this and ack? I can imagine either: 1) adding @insertcopying to the Top node, which is simple but adds ~20 lines of text (the full copying notice), or 2) adding just a sentence saying to look at the source for the precise conditions, something like this: This manual is released under the GNU Free Documentation License. For the full copying conditions, please view the full source for this formatted file (e.g., @code{g*} in Info, View Source in HTML). Do any of you have a preference for which way to go? Also, related to this, right now the copying notice does not show up in the plain text output at all, since there is separate "source" for the formatted version. Therefore I think the Top node should include the following in any case: @ifplaintext @insertcopying @end ifplaintext Whatever way we go, I guess all the manuals need to follow suit. Which makes me somewhat want to just use @insertcopying since it is the simplest thing to do. karl