From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ryan McCoskrie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Missing points in documentation Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:37:04 -0500 Message-ID: <200710212337.l9LNb4c13901@f7.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1193029147 21889 80.91.229.12 (22 Oct 2007 04:59:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:59:07 +0000 (UTC) To: bug-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 22 06:59:07 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IjpNa-000835-BY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:59:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjpNS-0002Yh-MT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:58:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IjkM0-0007ll-Vp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:37:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IjkM0-0007kJ-DW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:37:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IjkM0-0007k5-1X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:37:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IjkM0-00018W-1E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:37:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IjkLz-0002y7-Fy for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:37:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IjkLx-000185-G4 for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:37:07 -0400 Original-Received: from server1.f7.net ([64.34.169.74] helo=f7.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IjkLw-00017x-UV for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:37:05 -0400 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org X-Envelope-To: bug-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: (from karl@localhost) by f7.net (8.11.7-20030920/8.11.7) id l9LNb4c13901; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:37:04 -0500 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:57:31 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:16802 Archived-At: Hi, I'm a begginer in writing software (as in yet to come up with something more useful than a poor way of changing char input[] = {'1','2','3',4','5'} to int output = 12345 or anything else less than nine characters long). Any way the point is that I found a major fault in the emacs lisp info files: it doesn't say in all of the pages I have been reading so far how to start emacs lisp. I found the method ctrl-x, ctrl-e in the online docs but that assumes that I want to start all of my programs from inside of emacs which is pretty unlikely seeing how I want to put them to good use someday (and I use vim). The points are: 1) How do I start emacs lisp outside of emacs? ...and more importantly... 2) could you make your documentation shorter and more to the point? (I'd do it myself if I had the web connection and time) ----- Ryan