From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Kenichi Handa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: can't get native charset codes from mule menu Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:56:36 +0900 (JST) Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200210040556.OAA11343@etlken.m17n.org> References: <87k7ldtt8f.fsf@jidanni.org> <200209250853.RAA11100@etlken.m17n.org> <878z1pvjh1.fsf@jidanni.org> <200210021259.VAA09006@etlken.m17n.org> <87adlwvoq7.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1033716260 14183 127.0.0.1 (4 Oct 2002 07:24:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17xMos-0003gV-00 for ; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 09:24:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17xMfz-0000OV-00; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 03:15:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17xMP4-0000WX-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 02:57:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17xLuz-0005jl-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 02:26:39 -0400 Original-Received: from gnudist.gnu.org ([199.232.41.7]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17xLVA-0007oX-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 01:59:54 -0400 Original-Received: from tsukuba.m17n.org ([192.47.44.130]) by gnudist.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17xLST-0006Ge-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 01:57:05 -0400 Original-Received: from fs.m17n.org (fs.m17n.org [192.47.44.2]) by tsukuba.m17n.org (8.11.6/3.7W-20010518204228) with ESMTP id g945ubF23687; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:56:37 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from handa@m17n.org) Original-Received: from etlken.m17n.org (etlken.m17n.org [192.47.44.125]) by fs.m17n.org (8.11.3/3.7W-20010823150639) with ESMTP id g945uaR18643; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:56:37 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: (from handa@localhost) by etlken.m17n.org (8.8.8+Sun/3.7W-2001040620) id OAA11343; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:56:36 +0900 (JST) Original-To: jidanni@dman.ddts.net In-reply-to: <87adlwvoq7.fsf_-_@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on 02 Oct 2002 23:34:40 +0800) User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.2 (Yagi-Nishiguchi) APEL/10.2 Emacs/21.1.30 (sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:3639 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:3639 In article <87adlwvoq7.fsf_-_@jidanni.org>, Dan Jacobson writes: > No. I felt bad because anything in > menu-bar -> options -> mule -> list-charset-chars > will just show you the emacs internal codes. If you simply select `big5' instead of `chinese-big5-1/2', you can see Big5 native code. Why is that not enough? > Therefore I want an additional tree: > menu-bar -> options -> mule -> list-charset-chars-with-their-native-codes > or something like that, because: For that to work, it should accept only indirectly supported charsets such as cpXXX, big5, viscii. Otherwise, Emacs don't know which native charsets a user is expecting. Then, the menu should be ...-> mule -> list-indirectly-supported-charset-chars. But, if we provide this menu: ...-> mule -> list-charset-chars and make it also accepts big5, isn't it enough? > 1. don't most folks want to see a list with the native codes and not > emacs special codes? But the menu just has the latter and not the > former. > 2. Isn't it weird that M-x list-charset-chars will show you native > codes whereas the menu item of the same name shows you emacs codes? You are misunderstanding what the current menu does. > Oh, the menu item is in fact "List Character Sets", but sounds close > enough, and there is no alternative on the menu to get you native > codes. As I wrote before, in the current code, the menu "List Character Sets" (i.e. M-x list-character-sets) shows also Big5 in the section "INDIRECTLY SUPPORTED CHARACTER SETS". =46rom there, you can click on `big5' to get a native code list. --- Ken'ichi HANDA handa@m17n.org