From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: [OT] Re: configure script Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:47:54 -0600 (MDT) Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <200206141547.g5EFlsK08958@aztec.santafe.edu> References: <61D0BADD.74BBFB3A.B8B383E9@netscape.net> <200206081915.g58JFT128804@aztec.santafe.edu> <538dgukrilgffka0tdkddf7hdph4i9b5va@4ax.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1024072026 13709 127.0.0.1 (14 Jun 2002 16:27:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17Ituk-0003Ys-00 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:27:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17ItLA-00030Y-00; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:50:20 -0400 Original-Received: from pele.santafe.edu ([192.12.12.119]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17ItIq-0002i9-00; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:47:56 -0400 Original-Received: from aztec.santafe.edu (aztec [192.12.12.49]) by pele.santafe.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5EFlsQ10973; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:47:54 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: (from rms@localhost) by aztec.santafe.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.3) id g5EFlsK08958; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:47:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aztec.santafe.edu: rms set sender to rms@aztec using -f Original-To: eliz@is.elta.co.il In-Reply-To: (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:17:59 +0300) Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:2040 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:2040 I can't speak for the open source movement, let alone for its founders, but their motivation could not lie in their impressions of working with me personally, because most of them had never worked with me directly. They have been quite articulate about their reasons. The free software movement promotes certain views, including the idea that free software is an ethical imperative and non-free software is anti-social. The founders of the open source movement chose to reject this ethical imperative, and instead to approach business with arguments based purely on an appeal to selfishness. As far as I can tell, some open source supporters actually did believe in the free software movement's ethical position, but decided as a strategem to avoid mentioning it. Others, including Eric Raymond, never agreed with these views, either before or after. For him, open source provided an opportunity to convince some people whose views were more like mine to advocate his views instead. Subsequently, business has tended to promote "open source", and most journalists follow business. As a result, many people don't realize there is a free software movement. I regularly encounter people who agree with the free software movement's position but have no idea that there is a free software movement. I ask them to start saying "free software" instead, and many of them do.