elisp-manual-21-2.8 Makefile does not conform to GNU standards

elisp-manual-21-2.8 Makefile does not conform to GNU standards

[Nelson H. F. Beebe]

The configure-generated Makefile for elisp-manual-21-2.8 does not
conform to GNU standards: it lacks targets "all" and "check", causing
this standard recipe to fail:

	./configure && make all check install

The missing ones should be supplied, even though for this package,
they need do nothing.

See Emacs info node (make)Standard Targets for Users.

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Re: elisp-manual-21-2.8 Makefile does not conform to GNU standards

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" <beebe@math.utah.edu>
> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:25:41 -0700 (MST)
> 
> The configure-generated Makefile for elisp-manual-21-2.8 does not
> conform to GNU standards: it lacks targets "all" and "check", causing
> this standard recipe to fail:
> 
> 	./configure && make all check install

Thanks.

Since in future releases the ELisp manual will be distributed as part
of Emacs, I'm not sure this is something we need to fix.  What do you
think?

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Re: elisp-manual-21-2.8 Makefile does not conform to GNU standards

[David Kastrup]

"Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@is.elta.co.il> writes:

> > From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" <beebe@math.utah.edu>
> > Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:25:41 -0700 (MST)
> > 
> > The configure-generated Makefile for elisp-manual-21-2.8 does not
> > conform to GNU standards: it lacks targets "all" and "check", causing
> > this standard recipe to fail:
> > 
> > 	./configure && make all check install
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Since in future releases the ELisp manual will be distributed as part
> of Emacs, I'm not sure this is something we need to fix.  What do you
> think?

I think it would probably not be the worst idea if the Elisp manual
remained available separately for those who desired it.  For example,
there might be XEmacs package authors around that would not mind
having their packages also run on Emacs.  If somebody else delivers a
first port, not much more than crosschecking with the Elisp manual
when doing changes is required, without having to install or use
Emacs itself.

Also there are many people using prepackaged versions of Emacs (RPM
files and the like).  If those want to, say, print out an Elisp
manual, they would need to get at the TeXinfo source.  The most
convenient way would be if it was available separately without having
to install one large source archive including the whole of Emacs.

That being said, I definitely applaud the inclusion of the Elisp
manual with Emacs.  This should have been done long ago.  One of
those changes that trigger "of course!" once somebody does them.

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David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
Email: David.Kastrup@t-online.de

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Re: elisp-manual-21-2.8 Makefile does not conform to GNU standards

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: David Kastrup <David.Kastrup@t-online.de>
> Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug
> Date: 22 Mar 2002 14:41:16 +0100
> 
> > Since in future releases the ELisp manual will be distributed as part
> > of Emacs, I'm not sure this is something we need to fix.  What do you
> > think?
> 
> I think it would probably not be the worst idea if the Elisp manual
> remained available separately for those who desired it.

I understand that it could be useful, but please don't forget that
each separate package requires some work to be done to release it.
With our resources severely limited, less important tasks don't get
done, unless someone volunteers.

> For example, there might be XEmacs package authors around that would
> not mind having their packages also run on Emacs.  If somebody else
> delivers a first port, not much more than crosschecking with the
> Elisp manual when doing changes is required, without having to
> install or use Emacs itself.

Anonymous CVS access should be a partial solution to that.

> Also there are many people using prepackaged versions of Emacs (RPM
> files and the like).  If those want to, say, print out an Elisp
> manual, they would need to get at the TeXinfo source.

Yes, that's a certain regression from the point of view of people who
want the printed copy.  Perhaps vendors who prepare the RPMs could be
requested to provide such packages?

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Re: elisp-manual-21-2.8 Makefile does not conform to GNU standards

[Richard Stallman]

    Yes, that's a certain regression from the point of view of people who
    want the printed copy.

People who want printed copies of the Emacs Lisp Manual can order them
from the Free Software Foundation and support our work.  Look in
www.gnu.org/order for more information.


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Re: elisp-manual-21-2.8 Makefile does not conform to GNU standards

[David Kastrup]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     Yes, that's a certain regression from the point of view of people who
>     want the printed copy.
> 
> People who want printed copies of the Emacs Lisp Manual can order them
> from the Free Software Foundation and support our work.  Look in
> www.gnu.org/order for more information.

So you are a proponent of making free software and documentation hard
to use/access in order to provide a source of revenue?

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Email: David.Kastrup@t-online.de

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Re: elisp-manual-21-2.8 Makefile does not conform to GNU standards

[Richard Stallman]

    So you are a proponent of making free software and documentation hard
    to use/access in order to provide a source of revenue?

We are not making free software or documentation hard to use.  We
moved the Lisp manual into the Emacs distribution because users find
that more convenient.  It is easy enough to access from there.

It is very rude of you to accuse us of ill will just because you
dislike a change that we made.