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From: Kelly Dean <kelly@prtime.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: assign@gnu.org, 19479@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: bug#19479: Copyright issue (was: Re: bug#19479: Package manager vulnerable)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 06:59:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1s36JQvcdkW4qq4Xkzun5CT6LeDiZZWuaTNWhNiTLcd@local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv4ms03cj3.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>

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Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> You're one of the very rare oddballs who can't
>>> be bothered to sign a trivial document to get this out of the way
>> That's not true. I offered to sign a document saying my work is PD.
>
> I didn't mean "a trivial document" in the sense "any trivial document",
> but rather "the particular trivial document that everybody else signed".

The FSF doesn't have just one document for contributors; it has multiples, three of which I linked to in my previous message, and at least two more that are for assignment instead of disclaimer (one for only past contributions, and one for past and future contributions).

More than two years ago, I asked the copyright clerk to send me a disclaimer form to sign. He refused. This is the _only_ reason that the FSF doesn't already have a disclaimer on file for me.

If I sign an assignment document (i.e. saying that I own intellectual property for my work and that I'm assigning that ownership to the FSF), then I would just be committing perjury, because I don't own PD works. Nothing I sign can remove anything from the public domain.

Again, please don't conflate two separate issues:
0. The FSF is refusing new PD code in Emacs. (I would be happy to learn that I'm mistaken about this.)
1. My code is PD. (In case the FSF disputes this fact, I'm attaching a signed document to establish it.)

Because the clerk refused to send me anything to sign that would establish #1 to the FSF's satisfaction, today I printed, signed, and scanned the attached document based on the disclaimer forms the FSF has published, to make it abundantly clear that my work is PD and that the FSF is free to use my work with no legal restrictions whatsoever.

I'm also CCing it to assign@gnu.org, even though at this point I assume the clerk will come up with some excuse to reject it.

If the clerk feels this doesn't make #1 clear enough, then please tell me what needs to change. Even better, send me the exact disclaimer form you want me to sign, which I asked for in the first place.

I repeat: nothing I sign can remove anything from the public domain. So nothing I sign can assign to the FSF ownership of my work; if assignment is what the FSF insists on, then it's asking for the impossible.

The attached document is to establish #1 to the FSF's satisfaction. The FSF alone has the ability to solve #0; it has nothing to do with me.

Here's the text of the attached document:

This document is derived from the following sources:
http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnulib.git/plain/doc/Copyright/disclaim.manual
http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/gnulib.git/plain/doc/Copyright/disclaim.program

I, Kelly Dean, American citizen and resident, hereby disclaim all patent, copyright, and all other forms of intellectual property ownership of and interest in all of my patches, software manuals, software programs, source code, documentation, revisions thereof, and all other works, past, present, and future, that I sent or will send to the emacs-devel@gnu.org or bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org mailing lists, to 19479@debbugs.gnu.org, to any other mailing list or email address at gnu.org or any subdomain thereof, or to any developer or maintainer of GNU Emacs or any other GNU software, from my previous (no longer active) email address of kellydeanch@yahoo.com, my current email address of kelly@prtime.org, or any other email address.

I affirm that I have no other proprietary interest that would undermine this release, and will do nothing to undermine it in the future. I represent that all of the aforementioned works are my own and not a copy of someone else's work, except where sources are cited. Patches include citations and partial copies of the works to which the patches apply.

I created all of the works exclusively on my own time. They are not works made for hire, and there's no educational institution, employer, or any other organization or person who owns them. I do not have any agreement with any person or organization saying he or it owns programs I write, and I did not have any such agreement when I created any of the aforementioned works.

All of the works are permanently and irrevocably in the public domain.

Kelly Dean
kelly@prtime.org
January 8, 2015


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-01-09  6:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <qRgJhF1EfrtAmBqmyTLGcOkoyCcHP7kWm6t8KBDxra2@local>
2015-01-01 12:38 ` bug#19479: Package manager vulnerable Kelly Dean
2015-01-04 20:00   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-05  1:11     ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-05  2:16       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-08  3:31         ` bug#19479: [PATCH] " Kelly Dean
2015-01-08  3:44           ` Glenn Morris
2015-01-08  5:29             ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-08 14:39               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-08 21:06                 ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-09  2:37                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-09  6:59               ` Kelly Dean [this message]
2015-01-09 15:17                 ` bug#19479: Copyright issue Stefan Monnier
2015-01-09 15:29                   ` David Kastrup
2015-01-09 19:57                   ` Kelly Dean
     [not found]                   ` <EitH3yok1Itmynw5Ex1Vi3AuvkREurR1ccm1J5MQD4E@local>
2015-01-09 20:24                     ` Glenn Morris
     [not found]                     ` <0etwzzu2gd.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-01-09 20:32                       ` Glenn Morris
2015-02-24  8:47           ` bug#19479: Emacs package manager vulnerable to replay attacks Kelly Dean
2015-01-11  2:56   ` bug#19479: (on-topic) Re: bug#19479: Package manager vulnerable Kelly Dean
2015-01-20 21:18   ` bug#19479: Disclaimer is now on file at FSF Kelly Dean
2015-02-24 18:11     ` Glenn Morris
2017-09-03  1:10   ` bug#19479: Package manager vulnerable Glenn Morris
2019-10-04  9:49   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-06  0:55     ` Noam Postavsky
2020-09-06 23:59       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-07 14:14         ` Noam Postavsky
2020-09-07 18:11           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-21 23:51     ` bug#19479: Package manager vulnerable to replay attacks Stefan Kangas
2020-11-26  0:43       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-26  2:06         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-26  2:30           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-26  3:02             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-11-26  3:11               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-26  3:56           ` Jean Louis
2020-09-07 17:19   ` bug#19479: Package manager vulnerable Stefan Kangas
2020-09-07 23:54     ` Noam Postavsky
2020-09-08  8:10       ` Stefan Kangas
2015-01-08  3:33 bug#19536: [PATCH] package-upload-buffer-internal fails for tar files Kelly Dean
2015-01-08  5:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-08  7:10   ` Kelly Dean
2015-01-08 11:40   ` bug#19479: Package manager vulnerable Kelly Dean
2015-02-18  1:03 ` bug#19536: package-upload-buffer-internal fails for tar files Kelly Dean
     [not found] <0ylhjngoxs.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-02-24 23:02 ` bug#19479: Disclaimer is now on file at FSF Kelly Dean
     [not found] ` <5j6SB8Hmg5euoiN2VLa1iolGVWZxTvwQ1LnsgFUQiDZ@local>
2015-02-25 21:09   ` Glenn Morris
     [not found]   ` <yuegpd8zq2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
2017-09-02 12:24     ` Eli Zaretskii

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