From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35887: 26.1; global-eldoc-mode minibuffer noise is very annoying Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 16:30:35 +0300 Message-ID: <1f8fc8bc-5858-c95e-f876-4020f9f43593@yandex.ru> References: <87sgt3k4w0.fsf@hysteria.proulx.com> <85tvdjd1gy.fsf@gmail.com> <20190524151617874644844@bob.proulx.com> <87woibbpxb.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <2f351f60-2fbd-3ea5-1f4d-24aec7871bf3@gmx.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="149259"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 Cc: 35887@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@gmail.com, Bob Proulx To: martin rudalics , Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 04 15:31:16 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hY9X2-000ci2-GT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 04 Jun 2019 06:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.195] ([109.110.245.170]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 88sm21649693wrl.68.2019.06.04.06.30.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Jun 2019 06:30:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2f351f60-2fbd-3ea5-1f4d-24aec7871bf3@gmx.at> Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:160108 Archived-At: On 04.06.2019 11:21, martin rudalics wrote: > Would you consider an application like Firefox operational if > you launch it for the first time in your live, spin your mouse-wheel > to find out whether there's something below the part you see on your > screen and get a bell ringing and the information that you are at the > end of a thing called "buffer"?  Or that after selecting some text > with the mouse you just have "Mark set"? It almost feels like the general approach for a long time has been to compensate the general "clunkiness" (or at least peculiarity) of some UI corners with extra verbosity. It's like the program is saying "it's okay if we're doing unusual things, but we'll tell you everything we're doing along the way". I don't find it jarring myself, but we could probably do better.