From: Daniel Mendler <mail@daniel-mendler.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: philipk@posteo.net, michael_heerdegen@web.de, rpluim@gmail.com,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 62009@debbugs.gnu.org,
arstoffel@gmail.com
Subject: bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:45:11 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1cfd0b10-546e-c2c9-272a-25d3cdd4ba82@daniel-mendler.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83h6uszsvq.fsf@gnu.org>
On 3/10/23 13:35, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:00:34 +0100
>> Cc: philipk@posteo.net, michael_heerdegen@web.de, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
>> 62009@debbugs.gnu.org, Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>,
>> Augusto Stoffel <arstoffel@gmail.com>
>> From: Daniel Mendler <mail@daniel-mendler.de>
>>
>> On 3/10/23 12:50, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>> Why bother? Emacs is not in the business of preventing Lisp
>>> programmers from shooting themselves in the foot, certainly not when
>>> that incurs runtime overhead, even a small one.
>>
>> Of course Elisp is in the business of preventing programmers from
>> shooting themselves in the foot, otherwise we would extend Emacs in C.
>
> We disagree here, and this is a very fundamental disagreement, which
> basically means continuing this argument is pointless, since we have
> no common basis.
I don't see that the disagreement is that strong. For example aset
signals an error if you try to access elements out of bounds.
(aset "abc" 3 ?x) -> args-out-of-range
So there are clearly use cases where signaling an error is justified. In
other cases you claim signaling an error is unjustified and a crash is
better. I don't like the crashing. That's the whole disagreement. I
suspect that you also don't like if Emacs crashes. Maybe it doesn't
bother you in this case, but in others.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-03-10 12:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-03-06 19:26 bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name Daniel Mendler
2023-03-07 4:40 ` Ruijie Yu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-07 15:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-03-07 17:08 ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-07 17:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-09 21:11 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-03-10 7:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 8:45 ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-03-10 8:47 ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-03-10 11:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 12:00 ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-10 12:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 12:45 ` Daniel Mendler [this message]
2023-03-10 12:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 13:08 ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-10 15:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 15:16 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-11 15:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-18 22:46 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-19 6:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-19 21:20 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-10 11:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 9:40 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-10 10:31 ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-10 10:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-10 11:09 ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-10 11:23 ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-03-10 12:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 11:30 ` Robert Pluim
2023-03-10 11:36 ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-10 12:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 12:24 ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-10 22:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-10 11:57 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-10 12:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 13:19 ` Robert Pluim
2023-03-11 7:07 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-13 8:07 ` Robert Pluim
2023-03-13 8:28 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-13 11:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-13 11:50 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-13 11:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 11:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 11:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 11:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-11 7:07 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-11 7:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 18:56 ` Philip Kaludercic
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