From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#9362: 24.0.50; Explain in manual(s) Dired/ls permissions listing on Windows Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:05:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1EEEDDB70B5C4007B90959E3E5F2E5E5@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1314202674 22988 80.91.229.12 (24 Aug 2011 16:17:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:17:54 +0000 (UTC) To: 9362@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 24 18:17:50 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QwG9A-0004Vq-Ej for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 18:17:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52419 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QwG99-0002TJ-Uj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:05:02 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:05:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acxid5Sa9QHbk8SuTgW8Vf692bQtYw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet22.oracle.com [66.248.204.30] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4E552137.0064,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:20:04 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:50292 Archived-At: emacs -Q I see no explanation in the Emacs manual (for Dired) or in the Elisp manual (wrt file attributes or somewhere else) about what `ls' (hence Dired) lists wrt file permissions on Windows. The doc string of `file-attributes' is also pretty silent about this - it says simply "file modes" (doesn't even use the word "permissions"). Some explanation should be given about permissions. I'm using FAT32, for instance, and I see `x' for all directories and for no files. `chmod' with `+x' or `-x' has no effect, and with no message. No doubt this is due to Windows not supporting this. But that should be explained - documented. In Dired we show some permissions that apparently have no real meaning on Windows (FAT, at least), and we provide a command (`chmod') which on Windows does not do everything its doc says. OK, I'm using Cygwin for the UNIX `chmod', but regardless, there should be some explanation of these things in the manual(s). In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2011-08-22 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.5) --no-opt'