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Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:44:41 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNY07-0006Dl-2c for 1077@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:44:39 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id oAULoDIe006782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:50:15 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id oATF5jIx003032; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:50:11 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt001.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 828622121291153790; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:49:50 -0800 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.217.8) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:17:59 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcuQx8bl7g8NBrMnS/SyvkX0UBT7SQAAjcTw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: <4CF55565.8020605@gmx.at> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:45:02 -0500 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:42031 Archived-At: > > Why by design? I mean why must that be the design? No > > menu-bar by default, I could understand. > > I doesn't have to be designed that way. But the minibuffer window is > special so you would have to design a minibuffer-menubar with its own > keymap. That would be a different design. Minibuffer window or minibuffer frame? The menu bar is for a frame, no? What makes the minibuffer frame necessarily special wrt a menu-bar? (The active minibuffer itself already has a menu-bar menu, `Minibuf', but that is currently unavailable for the minibuffer frame, since that frame has no menu-bar.) > > And I'm someone who would probably _not_ enable such > > things for my own minibuffer frame. I just don't see why > > we throw out the possibility. > > I do. Nobody's around to write such a thing. Lack of resources has never prevented us from excluding the _possibility_. Just add it to the TODO list. It makes perfect sense, in particular, that the `Minibuf' menu-bar menu should be displayable when the minibuffer is active, and that is not the case now when you use a standalone minibuffer frame. I'd call that a bug. But the fix for that particular bug need not necessarily be to allow a menu-bar on the minibuffer frame. An alternative (essentially a workaround) might be to show the `Minibuf' menu in all frames whenever the minibuffer is active. Aside from that (`Minibuf' menu support when you have a standalone minibuffer frame), I think that we should add support for a menu-bar on a minibuffer frame to the TODO list. Whether and when particular things on the TODO list actually get done is a question of resources. Whether to put something on the TODO list should not be a question of current resources.