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* bug#49749: 26.3; 26.3 & 27.2: invalid byte compiler warning in short-circuited or form
@ 2021-07-27 18:54 Pierre Rouleau
  2021-07-28 15:26 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Pierre Rouleau @ 2021-07-27 18:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 49749



Paste the following code inside the scratch buffer (nothing else):

(defun f-and ()
  "Use and."
  (when (null (and (boundp 'foo)
                  foo))  ; no warning here, as expected.                                            
    (message "foo is not set")))

(defun f-or ()
  "Use or."
  (when (or (null (boundp 'foo))
            (null foo))  ;=> ``Warning: reference to free variable ‘foo’``                          
    (message "foo is not set")))

Then do:

- ``M-x compile-defun`` with point over f-and.
  No warning is reported as expected.

- ``M-x compile-defun`` with point over f-or.
  This time the byte compiler (of both Emacs 26.3 and 27.2) reports a
  "Warning: reference to free variable ‘foo’" on the line identified in
  the code.

I believe the byte compiler warning to be invalid.
The symbol `foo' is not bound but the code checks if it is
bound first with the line just above.
The ``or`` form is short-circuiting and will not eval
the (null foo) at that point.

Furthermore the code in `f-or' is a De Morgan equivalent boolean
expression of the one inside the `f-and' function.

Both functions `f-and' and `f-or' will run to completion when called and
both issue the "foo is not set" message.



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* bug#49749: 26.3; 26.3 & 27.2: invalid byte compiler warning in short-circuited or form
  2021-07-27 18:54 bug#49749: 26.3; 26.3 & 27.2: invalid byte compiler warning in short-circuited or form Pierre Rouleau
@ 2021-07-28 15:26 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2021-07-31 13:59   ` Pierre Rouleau
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-07-28 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Pierre Rouleau; +Cc: 49749

Pierre Rouleau <prouleau001@gmail.com> writes:

> (defun f-or ()
>   "Use or."
>   (when (or (null (boundp 'foo))
>             (null foo))  ;=> ``Warning: reference to free variable ‘foo’``                          
>     (message "foo is not set")))

The message about invalid stuff is only discarded if Emacs is trivially
able to deduce that it'll never be evaluated -- and as you've found out,
it's easy to make that heuristic not be heeded (see
`byte-compile-maybe-guarded' for details).

So I'm not sure this is a bug -- Emacs can't determine all cases where
we won't be executing the code in question at compile time.

Anybody else think that this is something that should be improved?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no





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* bug#49749: 26.3; 26.3 & 27.2: invalid byte compiler warning in short-circuited or form
  2021-07-28 15:26 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-07-31 13:59   ` Pierre Rouleau
  2021-08-01  0:19     ` Michael Heerdegen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Pierre Rouleau @ 2021-07-31 13:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 49749

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On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:26 AM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:

> Pierre Rouleau <prouleau001@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > (defun f-or ()
> >   "Use or."
> >   (when (or (null (boundp 'foo))
> >             (null foo))  ;=> ``Warning: reference to free variable
> ‘foo’``
> >     (message "foo is not set")))
>
> The message about invalid stuff is only discarded if Emacs is trivially
> able to deduce that it'll never be evaluated -- and as you've found out,
> it's easy to make that heuristic not be heeded (see
> `byte-compile-maybe-guarded' for details).
>

Thanks.  I must admit I do not know the byte compiler code much at this
point.


> So I'm not sure this is a bug -- Emacs can't determine all cases where
> we won't be executing the code in question at compile time.
>

Well, from the perspective of a user, that would look at the
very least as a technical limitation.

The byte compiler is able to report unused lexical variables.
It's able to report access to unbound symbols in a large
number of code patterns.  That helps detect a lot of coding mistakes
and that's very valuable.

It may be difficult, or perhaps even not possible, to prevent the warning
in the situation I reported.  If the byte compiler cannot be improve to
handle
this situation, could this scenario be added to the list of know limitations
of the byte-compiler?  Maybe someday it will become possible to handle it
and this scenario will help the process?


-- 
/Pierre

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* bug#49749: 26.3; 26.3 & 27.2: invalid byte compiler warning in short-circuited or form
  2021-07-31 13:59   ` Pierre Rouleau
@ 2021-08-01  0:19     ` Michael Heerdegen
  2021-08-01 10:26       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Michael Heerdegen @ 2021-08-01  0:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Pierre Rouleau; +Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen, 49749

Pierre Rouleau <prouleau001@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:26 AM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
>
>  Pierre Rouleau <prouleau001@gmail.com> writes:
>
>  > (defun f-or ()
>  >   "Use or."
>  >   (when (or (null (boundp 'foo))
>  >             (null foo))  ;=> ``Warning: reference to free variable ‘foo’``                         
>  >     (message "foo is not set")))

> Well, from the perspective of a user, that would look at the 
> very least as a technical limitation.

There are a lot of possible expressions of the form

 (some-expression-involving-both (boundp 'foo) foo)

You have showed two.  There is an unlimited number of such expressions,
and it's impossible to solve the problem for all of them.  It's not hard
to support more, but for what gain?  The warning is still correct -
there _is_ a reference to a free variable.  It doesn't say "unbound".

When your reference to a free variable is not totally trivial, the
common method is to add a

  (defvar foo)

to your code.  That tells you and other readers and the compiler that
`foo' is a special variable defined elsewhere, and the warning is also
gone.

Also, (and (boundp 'foo) foo) is equivalent to (bound-and-true-p foo),
so there is a canonical form for that kind of test that doesn't lead to
a warning.  For more complex real-life situations, you will probably
need a `defvar' anyway, so we are really only discussing about
rewritings of `bound-and-true-p' using De Morgan rules.  I agree to Lars
that this would not be a useful thing to do.

Michael.





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* bug#49749: 26.3; 26.3 & 27.2: invalid byte compiler warning in short-circuited or form
  2021-08-01  0:19     ` Michael Heerdegen
@ 2021-08-01 10:26       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-08-01 10:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Michael Heerdegen; +Cc: 49749, Pierre Rouleau

Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de> writes:

> I agree to Lars that this would not be a useful thing to do.

So I'm closing this bug report.

(The issue isn't that the compiler warning is wrong -- it's correct; but
we suppress it in very particular situations where it'll obviously not
lead to any problems.)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no





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